American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

He shared this anecdote on "Morning Joe" yesterday with a big ol' smile on his puss.

grounds for impeachment iirc

Rep. Trey Radel (R-Fla.) said Obama is taking advantage of the split between Senate and House Republicans.
“He has gone to the Senate Republicans and he's shopping,” Radel said. He said the country is now facing some "pretty serious consequences" because of “Obama's behavior.”

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Do they seriously not appreciate how ridiculous this sounds.

maybe it's time to go with the gephardt rule?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/how-dick-gephardt-fixed-the-debt-ceiling-problem/238571/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/12/government-shutdown-sequestration_n_4091088.html

Vegan strip club!

portlandia sketch

― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:02 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark

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Yeah, doesnt the Pirate's Cove brag about this, too?

They were heavily promoting their pregnant stripper for a while there

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 2h
This is the way the impasse ends, not with a bang but a whimper... goodnight and see you at 8am ET on msnbc's UP, live from Senate

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 2h
There is a growing acceptance in Hill GOP that regardless of how this ends, it'll end badly, and Rs who back it will be blamed for caving

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 2h
in short, growing # of Rs could care less about a con$ervative group's threats about not being Cruz-esque/CR warrior when BCA '11 at risk

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 2h
polls have dipped, House in disarray, Sen Rs on ropes. Now, cries/anger of Right fading, seem minor as hardball of Sen Ds rattles them

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 2h
Little thing I've noticed during deep-bk talks today: Rs barely mentioning outside conservative groups/"key" votes, etc. Here's why...

http://i.imgur.com/R4XQ2K7.png

let us pray

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 1m
This is a big story; House conservatives tell me it's a "game-changer," gives Right new momentum ahead of this week http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/protesters-reopen-world-war-ii-memorial-on-national-mall-thats-closed-for-govt-shutdown/2013/10/13/0d781264-341d-11e3-89db-8002ba99b894_story.html

i mean what

anyone who thinks the house republicans are passing anything on their own to save the day are out of their fn minds

only way anything happens is with dem votes and some breakaway republicans

i dunno, palin and cruz have never led the party astray before, let's see how this plays out

is Costa angling to work for an actual news organization here

srsly hes been really good

lol xp

Cruz and Palin at WWII memorial? The Dems have lost, guys.

momentum!

memorialmentum!

R's getting momementum by protesting their own decision to shutdown is so delicious I can't even

its really quite something to behold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5bgQ2hwDII

This is awesome

theyre their own only customers

its a pyramid scheme

on FOX:

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Jesus was not about the 'good old days'

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Move over Jimmy Carter, Obama has my vote for worst president -- ever

I'm thinking that the dems getting all aggressive trying to negotiate on the sequester may be a bit of an overreach. They need to focus on the clean CR and leave it at that for now.

well they need to open the government back up and that requires an agreement on spending levels so << actually not sure this is true feel free to explain

There seems to be enough agreement on the current spending levels to get them to pass the house if a vote were allowed. Not so for pre- sequester levels. Boehner will eventually allow a vote if he can frame it as something other than a major humiliation. Talks around ending the sequester at this point would cross way into humiliation territory.

any CR that's shorter than a year is bullshit.

No matter what the outcome, I guarantee you boehner will be humiliated

Negotiations at this point are basically about finding a way to minimize the humiliation. If the dems decide it's now time to turn the screws, they run the risk of messing that up.

when will there be a better time to turn the screws reestablish normal government spending

That's all the negotiations were ever about. The longer this drags on the more leverage the dems have, so it's not going to get minimized, it's going to get worse for everyone's favorite drunken oompa loompa

After the government re-opens

Once the gov't reopens the dems don't have as much leverage and are back to square one. They are right to press the advantage now.

No matter what the outcome, I guarantee you boehner will be humiliated

― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Su

He will still likely get sequester level spending, not sure that's too humiliating

this dude gets humiliated on the regular, it just gives him more cred with "serious" people afaict.

i mean, his bully is eric fucking cantor, who wouldn't feel bad about that

It looks more and more likely that whatever passes will not get a GOP majority in the House, which will be pretty humiliating. If he loses his job that's a bonus.

You're assuming he will let such proposals get a vote. Plus, the longer he fights the more credibility he gets from the folks who earlier might have wanted a different House speaker. Republicans just keep pushing no matter what. They may still be able to get Obama to push Dems to vote with them on "entitlement reform" and as noted upthread, everytime Obama rephrases the issues his interpretation ends up giving more legitimacy to the Republicans take. Meanwhile immigration reform and gun control are gone from the media discussion, and things like raising capital gains rates to the same or close to income tax rates, and other tax reform ideas that bring in revenue never get mentioned. Nor does the unemployment rate and steps that could be taken to address that.

If Boehner loses his job, whomever replaces him could be worse.

Cantor or ryan would be hilarious and even less effective speakers, ie a net gain

I dunno why you're fixated on what obama says - GOP didnt go for any of his proposals and 8f recent history is any indication final legislation is gonna come from the Senate ie Reid, who is not talking "entitlement reform" at all.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWduLWqCQAAmHhF.jpg

gamechangers

DO TREAD ON ME

house republicans on twitter definitely getting a second wind from fighting the #obamabarricades, that brief moment of 'uh oh, maybe we fucked up' might've passed. might not matter what they think since whatever bill does eventually emerge from this will be depending on dem votes in the house for most of its support.

between all the barricades getting torn down and the guy who brought his own fuel-powered spinning wheel of blades to the Lincoln Memorial, makes me wonder how much crazy nicolas cage national treasure shit's going down as the shutdown persists.

I don't get the barricades thing at all- if the government is shut down because of tea party obstructionism, then surely the shutting of the memorial was itself a consequence of their actions. so in what way is this a victory for them? How is undoing the effects of your own actions some kind of triumph, exactly? idgi

because it is using the same logic as 'keep the government out of my medicare'