American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

abraham lincoln for instance

― lag∞n, Wednesday, October 9, 2013 3:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah or john brown

fwiw republicans generally do not f w fed appointees and theres no evidnce theyll do it this time, its too central to business interests, which actually was prob the main thing that gave liberals enough leverage to fight summers nomination

is there a list of the 30 or 40 Republicans who are allegedly pushing Boehner to keep the shutdown going? I'd like to see that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/us/politics/business-groups-urge-congress-to-reopen-as-shutdown-drags-on.htm

this could be some good news. republicans love that business shit, they can't say no to the Chamber of Commerce

they already have said no, it's a question of whether they'll continue saying it

The CofC are just a bunch of sissies who aren't up to the job of pushing the new, patriotic revolution. They all want business as usual!

they want commerce in the chamber

i believe that as a governmental organization, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce should be ashamed of itself for playing such a transparently partisan role in politics for so long.

I don't like Krauthammer but I'm not sure what is ridiculous about his argument re: law changing in that article. It is true that they have changed and suspended portions of the law for certain segments (business) and not others (individuals).

xpost Rural weirdoes fuckin' shit up for good or for ill is the American way, and in some ways the roots of America itself. But rural weirdoes organized, and vocal, and able to get fellow travelers elected to office in place of career politicians ... that's sort of new, isn't it? Maybe all those separatist militia groups in days of yore were lonely and isolated because they didn't know they had so many friends, and now they can finally drink tea and shoot targets designed to look like public figures together.

able to get fellow travelers elected to office in place of career politicians ... that's sort of new, isn't it?

Davy Crockett ended up in Congress.

Also, Andrew Jackson

this is purely anecdotal evidence, but im happy to tell any politician that wants to listen that as a small business owner (you know those all important engines of the economy blah blah) that i haven't seen my store turn into this much of a ghost town since 2008. that screw turned at exactly one week into the shutdown fyi.

also had 2 dudes return major purchases, one of whom cited concern wrt default and his 401K, one whose wife is furloughed, neither of whom mentioned the ravages of obamacare or the terrible deficit we are leaving for our children.

yeah, i hope they get their shit together, i'm not looking forward to the possibility of getting laid off for yet another economic meltdown

I don't like Krauthammer but I'm not sure what is ridiculous about his argument re: law changing in that article. It is true that they have changed and suspended portions of the law for certain segments (business) and not others (individuals).

cuz he's ugly and stupid

Jefferson placed fellow travelers in plum federal jobs. NOT doing is what made in part John Adams a single term president.

have we seen this

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I don't like Krauthammer but I'm not sure what is ridiculous about his argument re: law changing in that article. It is true that they have changed and suspended portions of the law for certain segments (business) and not others (individuals).

― akm, Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Krauthammer does not acknowledge that Executive Agencies implement the law, and that therefore delaying implementation of a portion of a law is just that -- delaying-- and is not an unconstitutional Obama dictatorial amended change to a law. Krauthammer's insistence that because the Executive branch has delayed implementation of certain portions gives one House of Congress the right to defund the whole law via their current actions is a big unexplained jump on his part.

great

The tea party reps in Congress don't have nearly the votes to accomplish any of their radical agenda, but they think they've discovered a pressure point where they can apply enough leverage to force the Democrats to give them concessions. Except, in order to force concessions, the Democrats have to feel pressured.

Because there isn't any real pressure being applied to the Democrats by their constituents to cave in on this, but instead quite a bit of anger building at the Replublicans, this tactic has failed. All they can do now is dig a deeper hole, or stop digging. Their choice.

is Krauthammer capable of jumps

The tea party reps in Congress don't have nearly the votes to accomplish any of their radical agenda

Considering part of their radical agenda appears to be shutting down the government, it appears they do.

lol xp

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL1628/10959793/19487668/313389872.jpg

both are Krauthammer, I think

x-post re Krauthammer

ha ha. Although I have always wondered if he think laws to help people like him are examples of big government that should instead be left to the states

If they were elected to shut down the government, they can rest easy. But I rather doubt that their constituents really want the entire federal government to just disappear. So, this shutdown was supposed to be a means, not an end.

Let us pause for a minute to remember K-ham's days as a Mondale speechwriter.

Xpost near as I can tell the tea party legislative agenda is becoming even more of an extended performance of Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" as the shutdown continues - they're on the way to convincing themselves that the means are an end in themselves.

their constituents support them, is the problem.

Yes, what's not to like about shutting down government?

their constituents support them, is the problem.

^^^ yeah, I don't get these people all. Do they not have 401Ks that take a huge hit when the stock market is volatile?

i don't think you all understand what's going on here. obamacare is going to take down the U.S. economy, possibly the global economy. we have to do everything we can to stop it. once we finally suggest ban obamacare, the stock market is going to rise like a soaring eagle

If they did they probably lost most of it in Obama's recession. xpost

I don't understand the name of this thread; anybody wanna unpack it for me?

also, when is the supposed Truckers Protest/Rally thang supposed to happen?

(sorry I'm d.u.m.b. sometimes)

sincere questions

"I'm a cool rocking daddy in the U.S.A."

Do they not have 401Ks that take a huge hit when the stock market is volatile?

http://img.pandawhale.com/44030-Thanks-Obama-wash-dog-gif-BXg9.gif

Do they not have 401Ks that take a huge hit when the stock market is volatile?

i wouldn't be surprised if many Tea Partier's did not. the thing about the "roots of their rage" is that they aren't really invested in the America at large--they feel alienated from the whole of public life, from its pop culture to its markets which don't make them rich to the political system which appeases them only with rhetoric. but that's the thing, they don't know what they want other than symbolic gestures and rhetoric. "I exist, and to prove that I'm gonna fuck your shit up," etc. so in a sense the shutdown kinda does work as an end in itself for those constituents.

it's like a rightwing subaltern, almost.

yeah I looked at this map of the Tea Party Caucus today (maybe that answers my earlier question about the 40 GOP reps "forcing" Boehner on the shutdown)?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Tea_party_membership_112_congress.svg/800px-Tea_party_membership_112_congress.svg.png

and it's concentrated in the Great Plains and Mid South. The Great Plains is its own world (I lived there until last year for about 7 years). still remember people telling when I moved there that they didn't get the fuss about 9/11, because it was so far away: like, maybe that's quite right, but it made clear how separate you feel living there. and concerns out there are mostly with land and water management. there's little exposure to diversity, so those concerns don't matter. state GDPs are pretty average, there's no massive underclass like in the Deep South. so I can see better why those people think the shutdown is not bad and maybe good: because they don't think it matters to them. and I dunno, maybe they're kinda right to think that? sucks to be us living in the Great Blue North though.

Tea Partiers have tons of gold buried in their backyard. That's why they have so many guns, to protect them. But don't think for a second if you come for the guns you'll get the gold, because don't tread on me. And if they get sick and die, they demand to be buried with their gold and guarded by their children, to whom they leave their guns. Vicious, tragic cycle.

Tea Partiers want to be buried in their own Sutton Hoo

Holy crap at Kansas and Nebraska.

distro of TP in the south kinda interesting

ah yes, the glorious scumbags in the ne mpls/stpl exurbs fully represented in that map i see

ie none in Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas

xp

i love how that map also would be totally plausible as a news graphic in some zombie apocalypse pandemic flick

CA TP faction appears to cover Yosemite. I bet those folks out there countin on them tourist dollars are just lovin that shit

Missouri

There's a red band across the center of the state.