American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

Can we leave that pic of a Pope Palpatine up forever?

Running in 2016, iirc.

cool dino tie

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/10/04/mr_buckley_was_the_tea_party

http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/images/mtp-cruzbuckley/1190009-1-eng-GB/MTP-CruzBuckley.jpg

limbaugh being a little unfair to the tea party i think, by and large they're not nearly as virulently racist, antisemitic, and cryptofascist as buckley was

I don't have to open the link to know that the url is otm

Robert Costa:

But details are floating to the surface as the leadership reaches out to internal power brokers about what’s within the realm of the possible. What I’m hearing: There will be a “mechanism” for revenue-neutral tax reform, ushered by Ryan and Michigan’s Dave Camp, that will encourage deeper congressional talks in the coming year. There will be entitlement-reform proposals, most likely chained CPI and means testing Medicare; there will also be some health-care provisions, such as a repeal of the medical-device tax, which has bipartisan support in both chambers. Boehner, sources say, is expected to go as far as he can with his offer. Anything too small will earn conservative ire; anything too big will turn off Democrats.

Another tidbit: One House Republican familiar with the talks says parts of sequestration may be something Republicans will discuss, should Democrats inch toward them on taxes or health care. For example, if Democrats start to talk about chained CPI, Republicans may budge a little on sequestration and look at trading some entitlement reform for renewed funding. Senate budget chairman Patty Murray and Ryan have been having related talks for months, and they’re poised to guide the negotiations, should they pick up speed. House leadership, per several sources, seems open to such trades.

Not gonna happen

Dems/Obama shouldn't trade shit with these assholes, it only validates their tactics

jesus fucking christ, bullshit

Yeah like I said none of that will happen

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/04/dems-move-to-force-republicans-to-reopen-the-government/

oh, actually, no, THAT's not going to happen

love this debate we're having btw

killin' time before happy hour

anyway, given the history of the last 6 years or so, which is more likely to happen:

A) the obama administration will end up conceding a bunch of bullshit the republicans, i.e., the chained CPI shit that obama has demonstrated that he loves, attacks on pensions that obama's also a fan of, giving in on sequestration levels of funding, tax reform bullshit, etc

B) the democrats will exploit some legislative move that reopens the govt with dozens of republicans on board

c) the democrats will exploit some legislative move that reopens the govt with ENOUGH republicans on board

I see zero signs O will cave

d)"Victim of Love" will come next in the Eagles thread

fine, they need 18 republicans to agree. they need one and a half dozens

There will be a “mechanism” for revenue-neutral tax reform

motherfuck that. if you claim to be upset about debt & deficits and you support "revenue-neutral" tax reform, then you are mentally afflicted. period.

another thing: if the govt was reopened via this move, with only ~18 republicans on board, that would deny the GOP the cathartic hissyfit orgasm that they desire. the shutdown hasn't gone on long enough to enable them to cum all over the U.S. then the debt ceiling crisis arrives, a week or two later. there aren't enough Gallagher tarps in the world for the mess they would make.

um

exactly, which is why the petition discharge move will never work

url is there an Onion article yet where Boehner begs Obama to save his job?

close enough

They haunt my dreams at night. I have this one nightmare where I’m about to ask for a vote on a clean continuing resolution and then one of them—I think it’s Steve King from Iowa—looks at me with this eerie smile and says, “No, John. No you won’t.” And then the rest of them are suddenly standing behind him and they all chant in a chilling monotone, “No, John. No you won’t.” And then I wake up screaming, “No, John!!! No you won’t!!!” and I’m crying, and my wife is crying, and I’ve sweat through my sheets.

DC gettin downright apocalyptic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kKmdRZnjm2k

Why am I looking for a plan under the ACA that covers self-immolation? Oh, no reason.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/10/05/us/05states_337_2/05states_337_2-articleLarge.jpg

I get it, but I really wish they could find a better symbol of the shutdown's effects than the closing of national parks.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383175_10103323715075209_1994725259_n.jpg

Federal judge cock-punches Darrel Issa for his "I murdered my parents, please be lenient because I am an orphan" chutzpah - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/fast_and_furious_judge_amy_berman_jackson_lets_congress_know_what_she_thinks.html

How Democrats Got a Spine http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/10/the_intransigence_of_democrats_from_obama_on_down_to_red_state_senators.html

Wow reps can say "fuckin" in the press now?

If you're like 99 years old and face no danger of ever losing an election, sure.

NWS getting feisty. (Can't vouch for the reality of this but it's funny anyway.)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F3Giv78jzGM/Uk9OB_mwD3I/AAAAAAAAORI/5FGBx368RmA/s1600/NWS.png

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pentagon-to-recall-most-furloughed-workers-hagel-says/2013/10/05/eb7ed346-2deb-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

Paradoxically, however, the Pentagon’s announcement could actually relieve political pressure on lawmakers to end the shutdown by canceling furloughs for as many as 300,000 federal employees.

http://i.imgur.com/Rjh9vCA.png

real nice

NWS thing seems legit

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=AFC&product=AFD&format=TXT&version=6&glossary=0

whoa http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/10/06/shutdown_has_put_house_in_play.html

A new Public Policy Polling survey finds that if the 2014 midterm elections were held today, Republicans "would be in grave danger of losing control of the House of Representatives."

But they're not

"Pastor says he turned his father's $40,000 retirement into $396,000 by flipping this 'Obama blunder'"

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1379353_778533211290_811579556_n.jpg

But they're not

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, if elections were next week, Dems would probably lose, because OMG, Obamacare! And they shut down the government! And they want to take away our guns!

wow you guys really have opened my eyes to the reality of the situation http://i.imgur.com/xTIBfWr.gif

The administration's people said "entitlement reform" a couple times this weekend. Charles Pierce:

This pivot can still work. The president has demonstrated that he can be brought to a deal if someone properly engages his impulse to be a conciliator. They're never going to be able to do that by asking him to chloroform the Affordable Care Act. But if they start talking about The Deficit, they can get him to listen. If he starts to think about bipartisanship and about problem-solving, and about the rosy dream he painted in his famous 2004 speech at the Democratic convention, a speech that now sounds as though it were delivered by a five-year old, then he can convince himself to do anything. At which point, I will believe that, in doing what he did when he did it, Ted Cruz is the smartest man alive. And I do not, under any circumstances, want to believe that.

the thing is in the past all of obamas demands re entitlement reform have included revenue increases which is something the republicans are incapable of agreeing to, so grand bargaining is prob a non starter, as it was before