American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

I have often though when looking at the Republican party that they really remind me of a racist caricature from the 80s

They're not lemmings if they are repeatedly leading these bullshit ops.

So is the shutdown worse/more destructive than the (ongoing!) sequester that no one talks about it? Or cutting the SNAP budget a couple of weeks back?

Also, why does everyone call it Obamacare? Talk about losing control of the message. Call it the fucking Affordable Care Act, which is what it is fucking called and what it fucking provides. Let the kooks call it Obamacare.

Dan, you're racist for suggesting that they are racist. They want to end racism!

obamacare is a better name tho

Obamacare sounds too fun/funny for such a serious thing that will literally improve the lives of millions.

obamacare is a better name tho

― lag∞n,

for racism

They can call it Obamacare when Obama caves and cuts some more shit.

Obamacaves.

Also, why does everyone call it Obamacare? Talk about losing control of the message. Call it the fucking Affordable Care Act, which is what it is fucking called and what it fucking provides. Let the kooks call it Obamacare.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, September 30, 2013 4:05 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the whitehouse itself flipped on this more than a year ago now iirc. suddenly their emails came out calling it Ocare, selling swag like bumper stickers saying "i like obamacare" and so on. it was a thing.

this is what happens when you elect a black President, suddenly everything becomes about reclaiming words used against you

obamacare is a better name tho

― lag∞n,

for racism

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, September 30, 2013 5:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk seems like it might be kind of confusing

yep. maybe they're thinking that in 10 years, when the law is more entrenched and people are seeing its benefits and the push to repeal it is more of a distant memory, it'll actually be a positive thing that they want to be associated with.

it's the thing everybody calls it, why fight uphill by defining it as an insult alone?

imagine if medicare were known today as... johnsoncare. uh.

SIGN ME UP

If they called it Johnsoncare it might have earned more Republican support.

"taking care of you and yours"

after the obama's ACA reforms we could be calling it J/O-care

So here's more on that kerfuffle between Charles Ferguson and HRC:

In June, I attended a dinner for Bill Clinton, which was educational. Clinton spoke passionately about his foundation, about African wildlife, inequality, childhood obesity, and much else with enormous factual command, emotion, and rhetorical power. But he and I also spoke privately. I asked him about the financial crisis. He paused and then became even more soulful, thoughtful, passionate, and articulate. And then he proceeded to tell me the most amazing lies I've heard in quite a while.

For example, Mr. Clinton sorrowfully lamented his inability to stop the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which banned all regulation of private (OTC) derivatives trading, and thereby greatly worsened the crisis. Mr. Clinton said that he and Larry Summers had argued with Alan Greenspan, but couldn't budge him, and then Congress passed the law by a veto-proof supermajority, tying his hands. Well, actually, the reason that the law passed by that overwhelming margin was because of the Clinton Administration's strong advocacy, including Congressional testimony by Larry Summers and harsh public and private attacks on advocates of regulation by Summers and Robert Rubin.

Wow, I thought, this guy is a really good actor. And I also saw one reason why Hillary Clinton might not be thrilled about my movie. I discovered others. In Arkansas, she joined the boards of Walmart and Tyson Foods. One of the largest donors to the Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation is the government of Saudi Arabia. The Clintons' personal net worth now probably exceeds $200 million, and while earned legally, both the money's sources and the Clintons' public statements indicate a strong aversion to rocking boats or making powerful enemies.

hence they are "the Clintons" in all matters political, these two unholy shits.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/09/meadows-boehner-defund-obamacare-suicide-caucus-geography.html

hello there

more diffuse than i wouldve suspected

https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/384796984889991169

tell 'em

Danny Pintauro ‏@dannypintauro 2 Mar 11

@moonfrye Soleil! Long time no see!

man it's a good thing we didn't go for the public option a few years ago or else the 2010 elections would have been a disaster and the GOP really would have thrown a fit

very possible pub option wouldn't have gotten full Dem support :-/

cutting edige democrats don't push major public policy initiatives unless they were originally conceived by conservatives (see cap and trade).

man it's a good thing we didn't go for the public option a few years ago or else the 2010 elections would have been a disaster and the GOP really would have thrown a fit

― druhilla (k3vin k.), Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:45 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think if they had pushed for the public option we would have gotten the same bill but the Republicans would be slightly less insanely angry about it.

man, what a clusterfuck. looking forward to helping my partner sign up for health insurance tomorrow though!

About a quarter of the public supports the idea of shutting down the government to defund Obamacare.

Pretty sure this is the %age of the American public you can get to agree to anything by asking them a survey question about it

Yeah, there's a reason why no presidents approval rating ever drops below a certain level

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-indicates-gop-has-been-deeply-damaged-by-shutdown-fight

I don't remember, does Quinnipiac tend left or right?

left, but not strongly

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/11/10/us/politics/fivethirtyeight-1110-accuracy2012-1/fivethirtyeight-1110-accuracy2012-1-blog480.png

hi iatee!

hi alfred

I guess the Post has lost the front-page crown

http://retired.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/new-york-daily-news-house-of-turds-cover-boehner.jpg

haha wow

you work at the daily news now

HA

just on Tuesdays

God, I just noticed the dripping hands

yeah that is pretty nasty

guess shoulda been nsfw

blood would've been a better choice but doesnt fit theme

its blood in the original image so they had to switch it up anyway

Oh man please please do this: http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/democrats-mull-divulging-emails-with-boehner-staff-as-shutdown-fight-gets-personal/

Senate Democrats are considering leaking a series of emails between the chiefs of staff of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker John A. Boehner regarding employer contributions to congressional staff health care plans, multiple top-level sources said late Monday.

Senate Democratic chiefs of staff discussed the emails between Reid chief David Krone and Boehner chief Mike Sommers at a recent meeting, according to a source with direct knowledge of the meeting.

Leaking the emails would be unusual, given the taboo over disclosing personal communications between top staffers. But the missives also would reveal Boehner’s position on employer subsidies for congressional staff. Democrats believe the Ohio Republican’s decision to attach an amendment to revoke those contributions to the most recent House continuing resolution was a direct shot at vulnerable Senate Democrats up in 2014.

Senate Democrats believe that Republican efforts to force a vote on what some in the GOP have characterized as a congressional “exemption” are designed to politically corner Democrats like Kay Hagan of North Carolina or Mark Pryor in Arkansas, who represent more conservative states. Democrats contend that Republicans just want to campaign on the issue, while hoping the amendment will not pass.

They did

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) worked with top congressional Democrats behind the scenes to preserve employer contributions for congressional staff's health care plans even as he decried those subsidies in public, Politico reported Tuesday.

Emails and documents obtained by Politico show Boehner and his aides worked with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD), among others, to find a way to maintain the long-standing employer contributions. Those documents also show that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was aware of the behind-the-scenes talks.

politics ain't beanbag

Its not quite Vitters level trolling but I like it

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/10032989935_133ddf04f6_b.jpg

Reagan would have approved!

they're gonna shut down Chris Matthews i hope