American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

i do think theres a danger of doing real bad and making a fool of yrself, but imho the bar is pretty low for a run against a consensus favorite like clinton

in more current news many are now speculating that boehner could allow a cr vote sans obamacare cuts and retain his speakership http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/09/30/john-boehner-doesnt-have-to-let-the-tea-party-paralyze-whole-government/

so, basically, what i'm hearing here is that EW needn't be concerned about a weak run for president, because she could just toss aside her current signature issues, buy a ticket on another train that seems more promising, and survive to be re-elected later. just like mccain. but this presupposes that EW's personal success is more important to you (and to her) than the issue of wealth inequality/corruption that you wanted brought to the fore by her candidacy.

if she gets to morph into a completely different politician than she is now, then what is the point?

you are hearing only what you are saying *aimless voice*

McCain and Kerry's post-prez nominee careers

You are comparing two men who won their nominations to my hypothesis of HRC beating EW, after EW showed weakly and failed to win the nom. Not exactly the best points of comparison there.

no no I'm referring to "did mcains stature take a hit when he lost to bush"

someone shd do a comprehensive study of all primary losers post primary careers, my guess is youd find more up than down, right now were just telling each other stories tho

as i said i think aimless could have a point if warren flamed the fuck out, his criteria of strong and long (lol) is absurd tho

name exposure is worth a lot

lots of democrats just want clinton to cruise to victory in a sportscar and would resent ew for being a bump in the road. and possibly blame her if hilldawg loses.

they shd just kill clinton and replace her w warren and pretend like nothing happened

what yeah thats hillary yeah shes always looked like that what are you even talking about lol smoke crack much jeez

why don't u just take another hit off ur crackpipe *shops images, uploads 2 photobucket*

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DJ7nsS1cCfI/UQhJ1OznjYI/AAAAAAAAHCo/8k9o_BHkIVc/s1600/hilary%2Bv%2Brand%2B3.png

oh man remember when hillary was a meme

lots of democrats just want clinton to cruise to victory in a sportscar and would resent ew for being a bump in the road. and possibly blame her if hilldawg loses.

― iatee, Monday, September 30, 2013 3:09 PM (10 minutes ago)

ow, my tongue, i think i bit it

http://www.buzzfeed.com/workingfamilies/7-times-letitia-james-dramatically-pointed-off-cam-clhl

kinda funny but realistically any political entity that makes a cutesy buzzfeed list shd have their assests seized

goddammit I was just coming onto this thread to post this

ha owned

i took it from yr facebook too

FIGURES

her office was around the corner from my house, she had a cool neon sign w her name in the window

need to get that updated tish

http://i.imgur.com/JXoY4Xp.png

When was the last time we had a president who wore glasses? Sign of weakness, iirc.

http://quixoteconsulting.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Bill-Clinton-saxophone-Arsenio-Hall.jpg

Sign of uncoolness, iirc.

Extramarital sax.

imagine if he had just played rump shaker

http://opinion.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c7de353ef0168e7b2a59b970c-600wi

mccain and kerry's stature took hits in the senate after their losses but ted kennedy became the 'lion of the senate' after his run in 80. obv very different contexts but even w/ mccain and kerry whatever stature was lost was pretty quickly regained. actually kinda thought this yesterday - you know id like to see warren run even if hillary wins just to push wealthy inequality/corruption issues more front and center - that while if she did run she'd be 'no more' than kucinich etc but really on those terms she would be so much more than kucinich, she would have actual leverage and while i doubt her base of support would be enough to win many primaries it would still force hillary to take her seriously and she'd bring more to the race in terms of policy and shaping debate than cuomo or o'malley. she'd maybe even have a bigger impact than ron paul did and i think we can acknowledge that paul definitely helped shape the terms of debate for his party this century, i'm not sure i can name a republican whose had more influence in shaping the gop post-bush rebranding, unless it's like roger ailes.

they both love jelly bellies, and tbf who amongst us does not

well, the difference with Kennedy is that he only started legislating after he lost; he would have been a competent but undistinguished senator if he'd retired in 1980.

http://i1.nyt.com/images/2013/10/01/us/politics/01shutdown4_cnd/01shutdown4_cnd-hpMedium.jpg

http://www.underthegunreview.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/pixar-movie-sequels-we-want-up.jpg

so we're shutting down.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-gop-signals-shutdown-with-yet-another-anti-obamacare-vote

and it seems like it's going to be a while, if boehner continues with this stance:

"It's a matter of fairness for all Americans," Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters. Would he bring up a "clean" continuing resolution? "That's not going to happen," he said.

love this detail:

"The 2010 election was all about Obamacare. And I know me and my class members came to fight with every tool that we have," said Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC). "And so if we can delay, defund -- anything we can do with Obamacare, that's what we came here for."

What about the 2012 election? TPM asked. "I'm sorry -- ask that again?" he said, before adding: "Oh I was re-elected in 2012 too, so I can stand on that."

. "We are not going to mess around with Obamacare, no matter what they do. They have got to get a life," Reid told reporters. "Understand we are dealing with anarchists. They hate government."

maybe reid has some sort of consultant telling him this is a cool thing to say, but he really needs to quit comparing tea partiers to anarchists, it just makes him sound stupid.

seems like the gop can get out of this if they want by passing some fake obamacare amendment and declaring victory http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/30/vitter_amendment_is_total_bs.html

well yeah david graeber is gonna be mad but i think it's pretty funny

hahahahahahahahahaha

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) had choice words for fellow House Republicans who are willing to see the government shut down over their opposition to Obamacare: “Lemmings with suicide vests,” he called them.

“They have to be more than just a lemming. Because jumping to your death is not enough,” he said.

“You have this group saying somehow if you’re not with them, you’re with Obamcare. If you’re not with their plan — exactly what they want to do, you’re with Obamcare. It’s getting a little old,” he said.

Nunes said he would support House leadership’s latest strategy: A bill that would keep the government open but delay the individual mandate for a year. But he said that approach means a government shutdown will be all but certain.

The result for his party? “You guys ever watch 16 Candles?” he asked a small group of reporters. “You guys remember Long Duk Dong at the end? That’s going to be us tomorrow, waking up on the grass, crashed automobile. That’s us.”

I have often though when looking at the Republican party that they really remind me of a racist caricature from the 80s

They're not lemmings if they are repeatedly leading these bullshit ops.

So is the shutdown worse/more destructive than the (ongoing!) sequester that no one talks about it? Or cutting the SNAP budget a couple of weeks back?

Also, why does everyone call it Obamacare? Talk about losing control of the message. Call it the fucking Affordable Care Act, which is what it is fucking called and what it fucking provides. Let the kooks call it Obamacare.

Dan, you're racist for suggesting that they are racist. They want to end racism!

obamacare is a better name tho

Obamacare sounds too fun/funny for such a serious thing that will literally improve the lives of millions.

obamacare is a better name tho

― lag∞n,

for racism

They can call it Obamacare when Obama caves and cuts some more shit.

Obamacaves.

Also, why does everyone call it Obamacare? Talk about losing control of the message. Call it the fucking Affordable Care Act, which is what it is fucking called and what it fucking provides. Let the kooks call it Obamacare.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, September 30, 2013 4:05 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the whitehouse itself flipped on this more than a year ago now iirc. suddenly their emails came out calling it Ocare, selling swag like bumper stickers saying "i like obamacare" and so on. it was a thing.

this is what happens when you elect a black President, suddenly everything becomes about reclaiming words used against you

obamacare is a better name tho

― lag∞n,

for racism

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, September 30, 2013 5:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk seems like it might be kind of confusing