American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

i just want to interject another strong and long into the discussion here

If I were a senator and EW ran all out on wealth inequality/corruption in my state's primary, but she got only 12% or 13% support among voters of my own party, I'd think hard before I co-sponsored a bill with EW on those issues or put more than a cursory effort into backing it.

You could also think she was a shitty speaker who did a terrible job gathering support.

if anything generally primary runs seem to raise the profile of politicians provided they dont make fools of themselves, sometimes even when they do

did mcains stature take a hit when he lost to bush

yes. definitely. it quickly resulted in mccain moving most of the way in bush's direction on every single issue. sure, mccain discovered how to manuever around his loss and stay in power, but only by rapidly moving toward where the power obv was, not because his earlier positions were still considered strong or his personal prestige was strong enough to buck the election results.

You could also think she was a shitty speaker who did a terrible job gathering support.

Just the sort of leader you want to hitch your star to.

did mcains stature take a hit when he lost to bush

yes. definitely. it quickly resulted in mccain moving most of the way in bush's direction on every single issue.

i am thrilled to be able to say this in complete seriousness, but:

you're forgetting something: 9/11.

but it doesn't address your point. The issue doesn't suddenly become toxic because a candidate was terrible at explaining why it matters

mccains run could also be seen as the beginning of his political celebrity so im not sure, i mean he def veered right after that but he also had an established history of veering

mccain's capitulation and his moves toward rehabilitation within the party occured before 9/11

yeah McCain and Kerry's post-prez nominee careers have been spectacular flameouts, right?

i do think theres a danger of doing real bad and making a fool of yrself, but imho the bar is pretty low for a run against a consensus favorite like clinton

in more current news many are now speculating that boehner could allow a cr vote sans obamacare cuts and retain his speakership http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/09/30/john-boehner-doesnt-have-to-let-the-tea-party-paralyze-whole-government/

so, basically, what i'm hearing here is that EW needn't be concerned about a weak run for president, because she could just toss aside her current signature issues, buy a ticket on another train that seems more promising, and survive to be re-elected later. just like mccain. but this presupposes that EW's personal success is more important to you (and to her) than the issue of wealth inequality/corruption that you wanted brought to the fore by her candidacy.

if she gets to morph into a completely different politician than she is now, then what is the point?

you are hearing only what you are saying *aimless voice*

McCain and Kerry's post-prez nominee careers

You are comparing two men who won their nominations to my hypothesis of HRC beating EW, after EW showed weakly and failed to win the nom. Not exactly the best points of comparison there.

no no I'm referring to "did mcains stature take a hit when he lost to bush"

someone shd do a comprehensive study of all primary losers post primary careers, my guess is youd find more up than down, right now were just telling each other stories tho

as i said i think aimless could have a point if warren flamed the fuck out, his criteria of strong and long (lol) is absurd tho

name exposure is worth a lot

lots of democrats just want clinton to cruise to victory in a sportscar and would resent ew for being a bump in the road. and possibly blame her if hilldawg loses.

they shd just kill clinton and replace her w warren and pretend like nothing happened

what yeah thats hillary yeah shes always looked like that what are you even talking about lol smoke crack much jeez

why don't u just take another hit off ur crackpipe *shops images, uploads 2 photobucket*

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DJ7nsS1cCfI/UQhJ1OznjYI/AAAAAAAAHCo/8k9o_BHkIVc/s1600/hilary%2Bv%2Brand%2B3.png

oh man remember when hillary was a meme

lots of democrats just want clinton to cruise to victory in a sportscar and would resent ew for being a bump in the road. and possibly blame her if hilldawg loses.

― iatee, Monday, September 30, 2013 3:09 PM (10 minutes ago)

ow, my tongue, i think i bit it

http://www.buzzfeed.com/workingfamilies/7-times-letitia-james-dramatically-pointed-off-cam-clhl

kinda funny but realistically any political entity that makes a cutesy buzzfeed list shd have their assests seized

goddammit I was just coming onto this thread to post this

ha owned

i took it from yr facebook too

FIGURES

her office was around the corner from my house, she had a cool neon sign w her name in the window

need to get that updated tish

http://i.imgur.com/JXoY4Xp.png

When was the last time we had a president who wore glasses? Sign of weakness, iirc.

http://quixoteconsulting.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Bill-Clinton-saxophone-Arsenio-Hall.jpg

Sign of uncoolness, iirc.

Extramarital sax.

imagine if he had just played rump shaker

http://opinion.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c7de353ef0168e7b2a59b970c-600wi

mccain and kerry's stature took hits in the senate after their losses but ted kennedy became the 'lion of the senate' after his run in 80. obv very different contexts but even w/ mccain and kerry whatever stature was lost was pretty quickly regained. actually kinda thought this yesterday - you know id like to see warren run even if hillary wins just to push wealthy inequality/corruption issues more front and center - that while if she did run she'd be 'no more' than kucinich etc but really on those terms she would be so much more than kucinich, she would have actual leverage and while i doubt her base of support would be enough to win many primaries it would still force hillary to take her seriously and she'd bring more to the race in terms of policy and shaping debate than cuomo or o'malley. she'd maybe even have a bigger impact than ron paul did and i think we can acknowledge that paul definitely helped shape the terms of debate for his party this century, i'm not sure i can name a republican whose had more influence in shaping the gop post-bush rebranding, unless it's like roger ailes.

they both love jelly bellies, and tbf who amongst us does not

well, the difference with Kennedy is that he only started legislating after he lost; he would have been a competent but undistinguished senator if he'd retired in 1980.

http://i1.nyt.com/images/2013/10/01/us/politics/01shutdown4_cnd/01shutdown4_cnd-hpMedium.jpg

http://www.underthegunreview.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/pixar-movie-sequels-we-want-up.jpg

so we're shutting down.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-gop-signals-shutdown-with-yet-another-anti-obamacare-vote

and it seems like it's going to be a while, if boehner continues with this stance:

"It's a matter of fairness for all Americans," Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) told reporters. Would he bring up a "clean" continuing resolution? "That's not going to happen," he said.

love this detail:

"The 2010 election was all about Obamacare. And I know me and my class members came to fight with every tool that we have," said Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC). "And so if we can delay, defund -- anything we can do with Obamacare, that's what we came here for."

What about the 2012 election? TPM asked. "I'm sorry -- ask that again?" he said, before adding: "Oh I was re-elected in 2012 too, so I can stand on that."

. "We are not going to mess around with Obamacare, no matter what they do. They have got to get a life," Reid told reporters. "Understand we are dealing with anarchists. They hate government."

maybe reid has some sort of consultant telling him this is a cool thing to say, but he really needs to quit comparing tea partiers to anarchists, it just makes him sound stupid.

seems like the gop can get out of this if they want by passing some fake obamacare amendment and declaring victory http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/30/vitter_amendment_is_total_bs.html

well yeah david graeber is gonna be mad but i think it's pretty funny

hahahahahahahahahaha

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) had choice words for fellow House Republicans who are willing to see the government shut down over their opposition to Obamacare: “Lemmings with suicide vests,” he called them.

“They have to be more than just a lemming. Because jumping to your death is not enough,” he said.

“You have this group saying somehow if you’re not with them, you’re with Obamcare. If you’re not with their plan — exactly what they want to do, you’re with Obamcare. It’s getting a little old,” he said.

Nunes said he would support House leadership’s latest strategy: A bill that would keep the government open but delay the individual mandate for a year. But he said that approach means a government shutdown will be all but certain.

The result for his party? “You guys ever watch 16 Candles?” he asked a small group of reporters. “You guys remember Long Duk Dong at the end? That’s going to be us tomorrow, waking up on the grass, crashed automobile. That’s us.”