A Thread about the film JFK

this movie captures the joy of learning about new things better than any other movie

you heard ECHOES.

ECHOES.

rehashing

http://www.fandor.com/blog/daily-revisiting-oliver-stones-jfk

WHAT IS PAST IS PROLOGUE

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tommy-lee-jones-joins-kevin-720743

I didn't get 15 minutes into The Iceman so I'm less than excited BUT STILL

actually i claimed nonchalance before i read the plot I am SO excited to watch Tommy Lee Jones play a neuroscientist

that sounds pretty dumb, but then "supersoldier with amnesia goes on a tear" sounded pretty dumb too

Not that I expected Parkland to be great or anything, but I figured there'd be something in there worth the 90 minutes. Pretty bad--especially Paul Giamatti as Abraham Zapruder.

lousy

whatzername as Oswald's mom was best

the trailer looked bloody awful.

I happened to rewatch Stone's film a few weeks ago, and I found that the dopey piety of Costner really got in the way of all the things I like. But after watching Parkland, which was so ugly to look at, and so dreary, I again appreciated JFK's razzle-dazzle.

The best JFK assassination movie: Executive Action
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, October 15, 2003

Finally saw it today... so dull

:(

Little ass-wipe closed down the camps! Took our C-4!
Took 10,000 rounds! 3,000 pounds of gunpowder!
All our weapons!
You want to free Cuba? Whack out the fucking beard!
They got new stuff!
I could show you dozens of poisons! Put it in his food, he'd die in three days.
No trace!
Put something in his beard, make it fall out. He'd look ridiculous...

Allen Ginsburg poem

That is so Celine-like!

when we finally get a court order to examine kennedy's brain, in the hopes of finding from which direction the bullet came, we're told by your government that the president's brain has disappeared! that's not all that's disappeared. with it, the concept of justice.

Ask the question, ask the question.

"Honey, it's incredible. The whole thing. A Lt. Colonel testifies that...Oswald had a Russian language exam as part of his Marine training...only a few months before he defects to the Soviet Union. A Russian exam."

"It's 4:30 in the morning! I have five kids who'll wake up in an hour."

goddamn, Liz, I've been asleep for three years!

Amazing how much of Libra shows up in the movie, down to the detail about FBI files containing photos of Oswald's pubic hay-ah!

this is the only film i can think of that was actually directly responsible for getting a federal law passed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_John_F._Kennedy_Assassination_Records_Collection_Act_of_1992

i think what i actually enjoy most about this movie is the whole black ops/shadowy politics/vietnam/cuba shit, independent of the assassination stuff. it's pretty compelling.

very very few people know about this, ok

now i knew allen dulles very well; i briefed him many a time in his house.

Dulles, by the way, was General Y's benefactor.
I got out in '64.
Resigned my commission.

Kennedy's directives weren't implemented because of...

...bureaucratic resistance.

But one of the results was...

...the Cuban operation was turned over to my department...

...as Operation Mongoose.

Mongoose was pure Black Ops.

poetry

this is just to say

Kennedy's directives weren't implemented because of
bureaucratic resistance.
But one of the results was

the Cuban operation was turned over to my department
as Operation Mongoose.

and which
you were probably
saving
for breakfast

Forgive me
those Black Ops were delicious
so sweet
and so cold

September '63.

the literally single flaw for me (presumably inserted so as not to offend god): "i can't tell you the shockwaves this sent along the corridors of power in washington". a long cliche with a stubby and redundant tail.

there's a circa '03 dance track where the sampled hook is "black ops...assassinations...coup d'etat...rigging elections..." and i wish i could remember what it was called because i would crank that shit right now.

now i knew allen dulles very well; i briefed him many a time in his house.

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour),

the way Sutherland throws this line away = master acting class

there's a circa '03 dance track where the sampled hook is "black ops...assassinations...coup d'etat...rigging elections..." and i wish i could remember what it was called because i would crank that shit right now.

― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad),

We were good. Very good.

They Didn't Save Kennedy's Brain

never would have allowed all those wide-open empty windows overlooking dealy. never!

every time he goes to saigon on some fuckin fact-findin mission he comes back and just scares the shit outta the president.

A month before, in Dallas, UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson was spit on and hit.

http://lastangryfan.com/wp-content/uploads/k-man1.gif

never would've allowed that man to open an umbrella!

The generals in the smoky room is like Patriarchy's finest minute!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYmyMJ0H6DQ

I saw that a few months ago, I think. Is Sorensen in it?

hitchens and cockburn (still buddies at the time) both loathed jfk: cockburn went on to write some very funny stuff abt how all the conspiracy theories are garbage (and also how conspiracy theory is an intrinsically reactionary mindset), plus an excellent description of the type of comrade oswald actually was, a type anyone wd recognise from the marxist* subculture (a "trotskyite dweeb" who made an obsessive pest of himself in meetings, causing them to overrun and everyone secretly hating him; then suddenly there he was on TV and they were all frantically burning their address books and pretending they'd never met him)

*actually most cultures which require AGM's have someone like this, tho they don't always go on to shoot someone

Well Hitchens talks about how conspiracy theorists are a kind of democrat in this.

Is Sorensen in it?

No. Salinger (former press sec) is.

Hitchens' ability to make people completely lose it on TV is in full show here. Salinger just wanted to smash his face in.

democrat or Democrat?

democrat as in a supporter of democracy (nothing to do w/the Democratic party)

wait, is he pro the film or just trolling?

Hitchens argues his way around conspiracy theory as a viable erm activity, just doesn't like the film - mainly because it tries to show Kennedy as a white knight (and thinks the actual conspiracy depicted in jfk is bollocks)

btw I gotta say James Wolcott is so wrong on Mr.X scene. Its the best thing in the film and not too long at all.

idk enough about the Garrison summation, kinda lose interest by the time the trial starts.

ah ok -- yes actually i vaguely remember him taking a less sharp line on CT in general come to think of it, viz that it was some kind of dissident counter to Very Serious Peoplethink, which is probably the start of his slippery slope tbh

(bcz cockburn was correct on this point)

james wolcott is wrong about everything, it's his thing

also he's the worst writer in america

now i knew allen dulles very well; i briefed him many a time in his house.

― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour),

the way Sutherland throws this line away = master acting class

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 15, 2016 3:03 AM (eleven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm btw