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It's all trash because of people like Hilton and people who worship her like a God of trash for the mind.

Never stop.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (some xposts, but still...)

― Pashmina, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Foulcult a communist? This is degrading.

-- Anonymous, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:21 (8 minutes ago)

HI NICOLE

― blueski, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

FOUCAULT MOR LIKE FOULCULT AMIRITE

― kingfish, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Lord FoulCult

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

AND WHAT WAS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT HIS PENDULUM I MEAN HONESTLY

― kingfish, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, was Foucault the bad guy from either Dragonslayer or Krull?

(or was it Yor?)

― kingfish, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

why do people think paris is trashy? i don't know really know how i feel about the phenomenon of her, but i'm curious as to why she inspires such anger in people. it's not only dislike it's like being offended because of her or something. i find it kindof odd.

― Surmounter, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Haha here's the do-it-yourself "ILX shocker" kit. You will need:

- idea of societies having elaborate cultural systems about what's considered ideal, upstanding, "classy" behavior and what's considered "trashy," "low-class," "dirty," or "slutty"

- the preposition "in"

- the word "SHOCKER"

1. Insert preposition into idea
2. Add SHOCKER at end
3. Post/serve

― nabisco, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ok but serious explanation: Paris has loads of money and could presumably do just about anything she felt like doing, including living up to received wisdom about "glamorous" wealthy people, and yet she'd appear to spend most of her time partying, doing drugs, taking pictures of her tits, running into problems with the law, etc. -- passtimes usually associated with ordinary poorer people without much opportunity in their lives, and passtimes the average lower-middle-income American tends to be wary of as "trashy" and antithetical to his/her aspirations toward wealth and glamour. Paris throws herself kinda whole-heartedly into the kind of skeezy fun the average American enjoys but tries to shy away from as a total sinkhole to self-betterment, etc.

So some can look at her as some kind of hero of the people, but c'mon right, like we're happy with that kind of class dynamic: more often she allows people a chance to opine that "money can't buy class," and that even though they're not wealthy or "glamorous" like she is, they're better than her, because she's vapid or dirty or skanky, whereas they aspire to learning and self-respect and self-betterment and whatnot.

It's not really a complicated dynamic, I don't think. People who don't have lots of money care about their behavior reflecting upright social standing and "class" -- both for social reasons and because if they tried to live like Paris, they'd actually fuck up their lives. Paris, being incredibly wealthy, doesn't have to care about those things. (I don't know if her family didn't bother raising her with any "you are a HILTON, you must have standards" pressure, or if they applied too much of it and it just backfired like nuts.)

― nabisco, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

ok good point ; )

at the same time tho, if i had a lot of money like that, i'd certainly enjoy my share of frivolty. granted she seems about as deep as a rain puddle, and given her wealth i'd do a lot more, but still it seems REALLY angry, the reaction to her as a cultural artifact.

thanks for that delineation tho very appreciated

― Surmounter, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/NabiscoOTM.jpg

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

HI NICOLE

wtf?

― Nicole, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

i really like the name nicole for some reason, it like just hit me

― Surmounter, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think it's just class, though. i think that american society still has a strong meritocratic streak, even if the idea of meritocracy is just a myth. and paris acts as a reflection of what people who are "famous" or even just well-off get that isn't attainable to the everyday person -- the six-figure fees for showing up at clubs, the complimentary crystal-encrusted sidekicks, the record deals that are the result of a whim, even if the album that is eventually released kinda tanks (i don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the budget for creating/promoting paris helped accelerate the process of 400 people at warner music group being laid off this week).

and related to that, in david shields' re:mote he uses the phrase 'the nimbus of her fame made a nullity of us all' a lot, and i think the fact that people view paris as a nullity herself (this is different than "behaving properly," i think, because she still commands attention no matter how she behaves) creates a sense of agitation.

― maura, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

Maura way more OTM than Nabisco.

Also it's "pastime".

― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 May 2007 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

yes. also tho, where's the line between meritocracy and simply envy? and how fun could/should the pastime of venting your anger at what privileged classes of people have be?

― Surmounter, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

and doesn't it almost validate their existence even more to let them be so agitating?

― Surmounter, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, definitely, I'd agree with Maura's approach, too -- it's just the particular word "trashy" Surmounter was asking about that puts me in mind of that social-class stuff.

Surmounter, Paris goes WAY beyond just a bit of wealthy frivolity, is the thing: the bottom line is she kinda has everything and does nothing -- not even really lip service toward doing anything useful -- which is a good recipe for the hatred! For a year or so there you could sit back and marvel and find it amusing and amazing how she could pull it off, being so completely oblivious and self-indulgent (cf whole point of The Simple Life), but after a year and a half or so, boy howdy does that slight entertainment get old and icky.

― nabisco, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb//articles/0509parisplea-CR.html

When Judge Michael T. Sauer walked into his parish church on Saturday, the day after sentencing Paris, he was greeted by rapturous applause.

― StanM, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:43 (nineteen years ago)

Stan, this is a myth. Apparently this did not happen.

Still roffling at my inability to notice Gareth was being ironic. Brain melt. I should stop visiting celebrity boards.

― nathalie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

this thread is ridiculuos. Foucault has said many wise and insightful things, and i think he'd have really cut to the chase here,...but lets not go overboard him, he most certainly did NOT have a hot body.

^^^ and anyway, its a backhanded compliment in a way. its interesting how the actual usage of this kind of language now, while ostensibly complimentary, actually acts to belittle and diminish a persons standing and status. we've all seen it happen with paris hilton, but to try and pull the same trick on Foucault as well

Only on ilx. i dont know why im even surprised

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

its also telling that from people criticizing and attacking me, earlier on in the thread, it then changes to saying its 'sarcasm' or 'irony', another way of belittling peoples opinions, oh, theyre not real opinions like ours

its the same thing on the thread about jim o'rourke and the indie people covering those pop songs. we dont like it, so we'll say they are being ironic, you dont like what i say, i must be being ironic. perhaps paris hiltons assistant was being ironic when she stitched her up! perhaps you think foucault was being sarcastic when he uncovered the modern panopticon (which we are all complicit in) at work in todays society?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

Surmounter, Paris goes WAY beyond just a bit of wealthy frivolity, is the thing: the bottom line is she kinda has everything and does nothing -- not even really lip service toward doing anything useful -- which is a good recipe for the hatred! For a year or so there you could sit back and marvel and find it amusing and amazing how she could pull it off, being so completely oblivious and self-indulgent (cf whole point of The Simple Life), but after a year and a half or so, boy howdy does that slight entertainment get old and icky.

This is kind of OTM, but I'd add that she's super-ubiquitous, like I don't have a TV, rarely read the papers these days, only ever pick up celeb trash mags when I'm in the doctor's waiting room etc, but I know loads about her somehow. Also, there's the "dancing like a n*gg*r/dumb n*gg*r" thing, whihc quite strongly gives the impression of one HORRIBLE, HATEFUL individual.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco and maura are both otm but the anger people express as a matter of course towards paris in particular - it's not as if she's particularly unique in any of her behaviour! - i think is partly motivated by the knowledge that they're actually powerless in the face of it. with britney, jessica simpson et al, the public can stop buying their records, or turn off their tv shows, and they'll fade away. but what people hate about paris is her privilege and wealth (not her attention-seeking! or her lack of 'proper' 'talent'; because that would apply to 90% of hollywood starlets) - and even if no one buys her records, watches her shows, pays attention to her, she will still be privileged and wealthy.

and also, she seems to be happy with what she is and what she has, and unapologetic about any of it. britney and lindsay and tara reid go off the rails, most other 'trashy' starlets pop up with stories about how "troubled" they are on a regular basis, but paris has that blank content smile and nothing more.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

As far as I'm aware 90% of Hollywood starlets don't use the term "nigger" to refer to black guys.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

because paris never attracted any anger before that, oh no

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

i should remember not to acknowledge dom's dumb non sequiturs

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

we should totally make this more about foucault. but no, he was never a communist, except for a little careerist coat-trailing early on.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

lex why do you support drunk driving

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Dom Passantino and lex pretend were friends

― RJG, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

she seems to be happy with what she is and what she has, and unapologetic about any of it.

you seem to think this is a good thing, as upthread when you're like "she should hold her head up high".

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

A quarterback from a high school around here is in the hospital in critical condition because he was driving drunk. You would have liked him, lex, he was a rich white kid too.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

As far as I'm aware 90% of Hollywood starlets don't use the term "nigger" to refer to black guys.

Did you used to work in Hollywood, Dominique?

― braveclub, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

was he hott, curtis?

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

because paris never attracted any anger before that, oh no

Not enjoying someone's contributions to popular culture does not equal "anger". I'm not angry about the movies of Amanda Byrnes, for instance.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

He may have been. I didn't know him. I don't think it mattered to the tree.

xpost

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

"I had nothing, and I wanted it/You had everything, and you flaunted it/Turned the needy into the greedy/With cocaine, my success came speedy."

Ice-T OT flipping M.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

i think lex has made a good point. paris is rich, richer than probably 95% of the people on this board. and its those people that seem to have a problem with her. coincidence? i think not

time and time again we see this. and people say that socialists arent bitter! you see it in england too with the royal family, but at least in england the average working man respects the royals and can see beyond petty blind envy, but the socialists are always singing the same tune about taking stuff away from people and shooting them in front of walls, but why should people have their money taken away? why shouldnt they enjoy their money?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

why should paris spend her money on environmental issues or going on a march or helping welfare swingers squat in other peoples 2nd homes?? when was the last time you planted a tree or helped one of our veterans across the street? a long time i bet, too busy attacking the rich from your moms basement with a too small che gavara (sp) tshirt on, i'll bet

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

it's not as if she's particularly unique in any of her behaviour!

You're right. I distinctly remember Britney Spears having a TV show wherein the entire point was showing how outrageously awful she behaves towards people.

And of course, Britney was born into a popstar dynasty.

― Ronan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

and, seriously guys, prisons are full of violent criminals, not to mention misogynists. who does it really benefit for someone like paris hilton to be there? if she was out, she'd be out spending money and keeping people in jobs.

for nonviolent or minor offences like drink driving and incorrect paperwork maybe it would be better for the punishment to be financial rather than incarceration? that way they could also make a positive contriubtion to society rather than being a drain on resources in overcrowded prisons where they might end up getting criminalized

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Quite right; Paris and her kind shouldn't be clogging up prisons.

They should be sent to the gas chamber instead.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

paris is rich, richer than probably 95% of the people on this board

Real talk: you ain't gonna top this, go out on top.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

the other 5%:

Halle Berry
Ned and his porn empire

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

actually i reckon Geir is fucking mint-wedged and that's why he never goes out.

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, "mint-wedged".

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

are you guys opposed to Foucault because you prefer to see things in stricter economic terms?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

Driving after having a license revoked for DUI is just stupid no matter what your income level, but I'd like her to be levelled somewhat by going to icky prison where at least one inmate knows she's dropped n-bombs, as she seems to need arsekick in the what goes around, comes around department. This seems like justice, but instead she'll go to a minimum security jail with a pay wing like all the other rich Californians do now, and learn what lesson exactly?

― suzy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

for nonviolent or minor offences like drink driving

would peoples' opinions towards paris's actions be different if she'd killed someone by drunk driving? would you still think she should hold her head high if that had happened, Lex?

― stevie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

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