American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

i mean you guys can pretend the tea party is an ineffective joke that will be the downfall of the gop just you wait and that ows was an effective movement that made good points and stated their demands clearly and managed to get a broad cross section of american to stroke their chins and think 'hmm, these guys might be on to something' but i predict that winning races and continuing to win races and nearly and possibly eventually seizing control of one of two major political parties will count for more in the long run than a jeff mangum sighting.

at some point a presidential candidate is going to take advantage of the fact that the whole country feels ripped off by the rich, it would be cool if it was a democrat, if you want to compare that wildly popular position to a con man pandering to tea party wingnuts you are certainly welcome

you could go ahead and look at polling on these issues if you want, or just pretend that only stinky hippies care that their moneys getting tooken my people who dont need it

if you want to keep greeting every cortes that washes ashore hoping that maybe this time it's quetzalcoatl feel free. warren's no more the lib messiah than obama was and she's also not half the politician.

lol @ ameritocracy

also might want to look into how the tea party has already affected the gops electoral results

lagoon i could also show you polling supporting single payer national health care for over fifty years now. prediction: nobody will run and win on this issue in 2016 either.

cf gun control

if you want to keep greeting every cortes that washes ashore hoping that maybe this time it's quetzalcoatl feel free. warren's no more the lib messiah than obama was and she's also not half the politician.

― balls, Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:35 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im just daydreaming back to these threads in 07 when everyone was telling me hillary was a lock and obama had no chance

lol at liberal messiah tho, youre v smart and tough and realistic minded congratualtions

lagoon i could also show you polling supporting single payer national health care for over fifty years now. prediction: nobody will run and win on this issue in 2016 either.

― balls, Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea please go right ahead

this is all the tea party's fault. buncha rubes! this has nothing to do with academia / the media / music / etc fucking up. maybe we should start a kickstarter?

were you asleep the past two months?

"optics" don't fool me and I'm fucking off to baseball now

(does balls work for the Dem Party just like ethan?)

lol does ethan work for the dem party? yeesh we are fucked.

media critics of the world, unite

you guys can pretend the tea party is an ineffective joke that will be the downfall of the gop just you wait

The tea party is not ineffective, nor a joke. Where the tea party has proved quite effective is capturing state legislatures and congressional districts, largely due to their control of legislatures. It has created electoral problems for the GOP at the level of the Senate and presidency, because these elections cannot be conducted purely outside of major metro areas.

and that ows was an effective movement that made good points and stated their demands clearly

OWS had very little impact on electoral politics, but it did do some good on issue-oriented politics, by temporarily disentangling populist economic issues of who wins and loses under the present regime from other, less broad-based, social justice issues. Then it got bogged back down in those other social justice issues and lost its edge.

obama spending $0 explaining the ACA is biting america's uninsured in the ass

or not! i'm sure it's all planned. go media strategies

there are tv ads running all over the country explaining the aca rn fwiw

ACA passed how long ago?

well its just being implemented now

which was def a mistake!

maybe there's a song about obamacare on the new arcade fire album

general praktitioner

yeah the snl cold open was attacking obama for not explaining aca well enough and attacking aca in general for being a handout to lazy ppl who are just gonna get deliberately sick so they can get some free healthcare now you watch. it was pretty abysmal, shades of snl blaming the financial meltdown in 08 on pelosi and frank and lazy poor ppl buying mansions cuz the govt let them.

single payer

i wonder what the numbers are on people who'd want single payer instead of R0mneycare. go team blue

Sure is a lotta Dem cup-rattling filling up my Junk folder.

ballsy, I did not sleep thru the '90s, my brain cells are dying quite naturally in the 2010s; you will forget your talking points when you're around 50, I promise.

somehow scanned "cup-rattling" as related to "ball-cupping"

what are you on about now, Mobs?

Sure is a lotta dem ball-cuppings fiddling all up in my Junk folder.

this Alfred: OMG the GOP is about to destroy us all, give us campaign funds for next year!!!!

why do get these emails who did you give money to

if warren is a credible national candidate then watch out cuz ted cruz is a juggernaut then.

― balls, Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol terrible comparison

― ภค๓ครՇє (lag∞n), Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sleepy NPR host vs. weird scrunchy faced lawyer douchebag, seems pretty otm to me

you guys have weird ideas about what warren is like, almost like youre just making it up

no I've totally seen the "Elizabeth Warren OWNS FOX NEWS" clips and shit and she's boring as fuck sorry bro

all evidence disagrees w you!

Harry Reid gets elected over and over and he's the most boring person in the universe, being a Senator isn't so bad

tbf uncharismatic liberals from massachusetts have had a ton of success at the national level

"all evidence" points to Ted Cruz being a guy who fires up the base, which was most of balls' point of comparison I imagine

harry reid isnt an internet celebrity who raised tons money from all over the country, I mean fine if you think shes just some sort of unelectable liberal phenom but calling her boring sounds suspiciously uniformed and deductive

lol Cruz isn't boring either

29 years ago libs were fired up by Gerry Ferraro

lol Cruz isn't boring either

― ภค๓ครՇє (lag∞n), Monday, September 30, 2013 3:57 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no one said he was boring, he has a whole different set of electability issues

and like I said the comparison is poor cause warrens positions are popular and cruzes are not, the democrats also have a structural advantage with the presidential election which makes nominating someone a lil more partisan more viable than it would be if republicans did the same

professor lady from mass must be like npr right fellas, bet she drives a VOLVO lol omg siiick, so insight such political

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVNUFikwZDk

truly the next Huey Long right here, I was riveted

omg she didnt jump right out the tv on on cnbc like all the exciting politicians do

i'd vote for elizabeth warren fwiw if that helps u guys out

now is the time for gentle argumentation that is barely louder than ambient noise and Elizabeth Warren is the vanguard