Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

I agree with Slocki in essence - not too fussed over the flip-flop about turning himself in - but I do take the point that Walt's motivations are a mess by the end - and the catalyst for his change of heart is clumsy...

But the whole end of the episode - the hat, the music - points to a profound change.

Walt Jr. says "Why don't you just die?" followed almost immediately by Gretchen saying the good and kind Walter White is long gone... almost like the calls to Walt Jr. and the DEA were the last gasps of Walter White - the old Walt actually does die as Gretchen proclaims him dead

and from then on his actions are pure Heisenberg, with no Walt to even have to rationalize them or pretend they're about protecting his family or providing for them - it's all just about being the top dog, the one who knocks

*slide guitar* DAMMIT XP

imho walts motivation at the end of the ep is exactly what its always been, all his dramatic plans were only so much sound and fury and rationalization

rises through the floorboards, four thousand feet high, and incinerates albuquerque with his laser eyes as skylar and walt jr cower in his shadow. charlie rose attempts to do battle with him and is killed as the credits roll

to "Kiss From A Rose"

xpost
yeah - exactly - just with walt jr.'s rejection he doesn't even have to bother with them

good post, brio

xxxp to the longer one

Whose motivations are ever truly clear, ever?

to "Kiss From A Rose"

you are a beautiful human being for this

good post, brio

xxxp to the longer one

― cops on horse (WilliamC), Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:18 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya

walt is dead

kinda agree w this but also what if in this case its even more real

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:49 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

i mean ive made a billion drastic decisions where i was like 'uhh nevermind' 5 minutes later

i like the way keys put it:

Though it is fitting that after Flynn shredded Walt's "I did it all for my family" delusion, he immediately is confronted with his real motivation, ego.

― President Keyes, Monday, September 23, 2013 6:12 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark

I totally buy Walt suddenly changing his mind about turning himself in. I'm wondering what he actually wants to do. It seems like if hasn't come up with something in the 3 months or whatever it's weird that he would all of a sudden have a plan. He probably just wants "revenge" against everyone and no one in particular. He possibly has no idea what he wants to do with that big gun or the ricin.

It seems like if hasn't come up with something in the 3 months or whatever it's weird that he would all of a sudden have a plan.

He's probably had shitloads of plans in that time - not much else to do except brood and plot - but has just been too broken to carry them out till now.

I'm also interested in how he gets the gun. Seems like his connections for these kinds of things have generally been either Saul or Todd and the Nazis.

Or maybe it's not actually that difficulty to get this kind of gun in the US? I doubt they'll address this anyway

maybe he asks todd for the connection

there was that gun dealer he met several seasons back, I assume it's that guy

There's the man he bought a pistol off in season 3? 4?

ahhh xpost

i have no memory of that

how he would remember that guy's phone number is.... eh whatever

Season 4 episode 2:

During a pre-credits sequence, Walter (Bryan Cranston) purchases a Ruger LCR .38 snubnosed revolver from a black market gun dealer (Jim Beaver). Secretly, Walter plans to use the concealable gun to kill his employer, drug kingpin Gus (Giancarlo Esposito)

yep same guy

jim beaver owns

thanks, had completely forgotten about that

yeah jim beaver's the gun guy.

jim beaver owns guns

yeah, we saw him buy the gun in episode 5.1.1

jim owns gun beavers

anna gunn owns beavers

Anyone who argues that it's unusual or out of character for Walt to make hugely significant and life-altering decisions on the fly and with little deliberation has been watching a different show than the one I've been watching.

Mike would agree

beaver shot

I don't think s1ocki's point is that it isn't plausible or even in keeping with Walt's character. hell, people act of character all the time! "plausibility" isn't the problem, it's that it isn't narratively satisfying and seems herky jerky and ad hoc from a show with a genius sense of plotting up until now. earlier seasons sprung like a mousetrap at the end.

out of character

is @ the least p fortuitous that that charlie rose interview is on @ that exact pt @ that exact time

but thats how fiction works for the most part

what does it mean tho, could they just not come up with anything, or is it different on purpose

I don't think s1ocki's point is that it isn't plausible or even in keeping with Walt's character. hell, people act of character all the time! "plausibility" isn't the problem, it's that it isn't narratively satisfying and seems herky jerky and ad hoc from a show with a genius sense of plotting up until now. earlier seasons sprung like a mousetrap at the end.

― ryan, Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes. i know that "people change their mind all the time," dudes

idk fate wants walt not to die in jail but at the hands of __________

The key line may have been Gretchen saying that the brilliant blah blah WW we knew is gone. Walt thought, "That's true. Walter White, the guy who brought Heisenberg into existence to help his family, has has no reason left to live in freedom, but Heisenberg has several reasons to stay free a little while longer. I'm just going to be Heisenberg from now on."

is @ the least p fortuitous that that charlie rose interview is on @ that exact pt @ that exact time

― johnny crunch

This kind of coincidence used sparingly really doesn't bother me.

if your mom had never met your dad

seems herky jerky and ad hoc from a show with a genius sense of plotting up until now. earlier seasons sprung like a mousetrap at the end. ― ryan, Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:16 PM

yeah - definitely agree with this

maybe the guns in the trunk restaurant ricin opening are from after he's already done everything he's gonna do, after which he took the gun from the nazis and put it in his trunk and now he's gonna eat the ricin

ooooh that's good

he kept one gun as a souvenir

uh Beaver gives him the keys to the car

we're all assuming he's gonna go after the nazis but i wouldnt put it past this show for them to not be the target at all

Walt murders his family

other possible targets - Lydia? Grey Matter? local DEA office?

walt buys that gun and goes to catch a screening of 2 guns and takes the ricin while watching it