Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

yeah there are a bunch of turnabouts in that last 5 minutes

phone call could be a factor though - he's got nothing to lose now he knows he's dead to Walt Jr.

i wouldn't say either was a particularly considered decision.

he's not going to kill nazis that very second either, for all we know it's just a decision that he doesn't actually want to go to jail, that it was rash and dumb to turn himself in.

xpost turnabouts are not unheard of for human beings. esp considering it takes place in about 10 mins. he calls the cops then runs.

Also he wanted Jesse dead and he knows Jesse's still alive and there might still be some blowback to his family if he's actually teamed up with a load of psycho Nazi fucks.

The reveal that the blue meth is still circulating is as important to him as the Schwarz stuff, maybe more so.

he has no way of knowing if Jesse's still alive or not

blue meth

dunno what's gonna happen in the final ep

from a story POV you can't have that phone call cause him to give himself up and choose not to give himself up, thats ridiculous

blue meth

this is circumstantial - Todd could have learned from Jesse and then killed him already. or Todd could have just gotten better at it.

The reveal that the blue meth is still circulating is as important to him as the Schwarz stuff, maybe more so.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:57 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

posted this at least 2x itt, still think it's the case

it's ~his product~, no way is he gonna let the nazis/lydia keep pushin' it

xp lol

yeah, the show's established pretty well that only he and jesse can produce the blue stuff, and after both lydia and the nazis told walt their quality was terrible he has to know they've meth-slaved jesse, or he's trained them. either way, he's gonna be superpissed about that. remember walt freaking the fuck out when jesse first started cooking without him? and not only did the nazis steal his money, they took his award-winning formula.

this is circumstantial - Todd could have learned from Jesse and then killed him already. or Todd could have just gotten better at it.

He's not going to take the risk of assuming either of those things though. And yeah, the personal vanity thing. If I were Walt I wouldn't want to even think about the possibility of Jesse being at large anywhere near my family.

he has to know they've meth-slaved jesse, or he's trained them.

and in doing this the nazis have crossed him, not holding up their end of the bargain for killing him

from a story POV you can't have that phone call cause him to give himself up and choose not to give himself up, thats ridiculous

that would be a strange thing if someone had said it, yeah.

he changed his mind when the police were actually on the way. must be the first guy ever to make a snap decision to run from the law.

it's a little loose for this show but it's not insane, he made two snap decisions in the real-time of about 10 mins, "i'm done, i'm giving myself up" and "fuck it, no, actually i'm not."

the speed with which they are made makes it completely normal.

for this show, it's pretty soft

http://www.tmz.com/2013/09/24/breaking-bad-mr-magorium-emporium-walter-white-movie/

Zach Helm, the writer/director of "Magorium" tells TMZ ... "Having myself endured the ignominy of watching the Technicolor train-wreck that is 'Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium' multiple times every day for over a year, I can attest to it being the perfect Kafka-esque Hell for a character of such moral ambiguity as Walter White."

They also already established earlier in the episode that if Walt had his way the Nazis would be dead by now, and as Dan points out he knows they've crossed him now.

It's not a rational decision but Walt has made tons of irrational decisions, it's not out of character at all.

I never thought the phonecall was about giving himself up at all; I always thought it was a distraction technique, leaving it hanging so they can trace it to NH whilst he goes outside, calmly steals a car, and drives away to where they'd least expect him - back in ALBQ.

well they crossed him when they took his money. which happened before he ran away.

xp

Walt gave up in dispair in the first episode (records confession after crashing the motorhome, tries to shoot himself, resolves to suicide by cop until he realizes the sirens are fire trucks) so I can buy him manically changing his mind on letting the cops catch him in NH.

Fool me once, shame on you xpost

no the phonecall was all about him giving up

I never thought the phonecall was about giving himself up at all; I always thought it was a distraction technique, leaving it hanging so they can trace it to NH whilst he goes outside, calmly steals a car, and drives away to where they'd least expect him - back in ALBQ.

― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's not how it plays out at all—he calls them and then sits down for a drink! then he sees charlie rose and the music gets all ominous and THEN he bails.

I'll have to watch it again, but I definitely had that impression.

im detecting a lot of... hand-waving... when it comes to the end of the last episode. cmon. admit it. you know im right on this one.

(btw i've defended basically every choice this show has made for the last 3 years so dont think im just being nit-picky)

I think you should boycott the finale in protest

Vince had it coming

Anyone who argues that it's unusual or out of character for Walt to make hugely significant and life-altering decisions on the fly and with little deliberation has been watching a different show than the one I've been watching.

s1ocki's OTM

even if it wasn't the motivation (and I suspect it wasn't), LOL at the thought that Walt wouldn't do something like this. The guy flip-flops all the time, usually within the same episode. How many times did he "quit cooking" only to resume by ep's end? And he has the added bonus of the fact that he's dying, which is probably causing him to react in ways a little more abruptly than he was when he was in remission because he knows he's dying anyway, so what risk is there?

I completely buy the Gray Matter thing, I mean yeah ok "tv coincidence" that it came on at that particular time, but the whole Grey Matter thing was probably what drove him to build an empire. When he was persuading Jesse not to quit cooking, his line of reasoning was "You don't often get to be 'the best' at something", and then he told him how much the company he left was worth now. He's a dude with major chips on his shoulder whose son just told him "have a nice life", meaning the money he worked for years to accumulate is meaningless, and he knows he's going to be in the dirt soon. what better time to act rashly

but act rashly to achieve ... what exactly? how is going to get "respect" at this point? why bother with the money when it's of no use, etc.? his motivations are a bit muddy at this point.

Vince sold the meth of loose character motivation to his viewers and he now deserves the punishment of a finale boycott from slocki and shakey mo

he's trying to even the score with those who have 'wronged' him to go out in a blaze of glory. not that difficult a choice when your alternatives are dying alone in a depressing reservation, or going to jail and dying in prison. he's going to be a martyr by dying for his fucking blue meth. that's totally his steez.

^^ this coupled with sickmouthy's earlier post

i mean besides, what easier way to get over being depressed and morose than finding something to be angry about? anger is empowering, gives the illusion of control, a coping mechanism a megalomaniac like Walt, who has spent a lot of time fashioning himself a perennial badass, would easily buy into.

Consider that Grey Matter video his fucking spinach.

for this show, it's pretty soft

― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:27 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kinda agree w this but also what if in this case its even more real

walt springs jesse but is chased by nazis. he leads them to grey matter hq which he has rigged with explosives. jesse is pissed as hell during the chase leading walt to abandon his plan to do right by jesse. walt blows up grey matter hq with everybody inside it. back at home, before any of this happens, skylar logs into her etrade account. somebody with access to the account has bought her a huge number of shares for grey matter's nearest competitor, Dark Matter (NASDAQ: DMT). she watches the screen refreshing in real time as the share price doubles, then triples. from the next room, the tv news reports an explosion at grey matter hq. mecha-walt rises through the floorboards, four thousand feet high, and incinerates albuquerque with his laser eyes as skylar and walt jr cower in his shadow. charlie rose attempts to do battle with him and is killed as the credits roll

I agree with Slocki in essence - not too fussed over the flip-flop about turning himself in - but I do take the point that Walt's motivations are a mess by the end - and the catalyst for his change of heart is clumsy...

But the whole end of the episode - the hat, the music - points to a profound change.

Walt Jr. says "Why don't you just die?" followed almost immediately by Gretchen saying the good and kind Walter White is long gone... almost like the calls to Walt Jr. and the DEA were the last gasps of Walter White - the old Walt actually does die as Gretchen proclaims him dead

and from then on his actions are pure Heisenberg, with no Walt to even have to rationalize them or pretend they're about protecting his family or providing for them - it's all just about being the top dog, the one who knocks

*slide guitar* DAMMIT XP

imho walts motivation at the end of the ep is exactly what its always been, all his dramatic plans were only so much sound and fury and rationalization

rises through the floorboards, four thousand feet high, and incinerates albuquerque with his laser eyes as skylar and walt jr cower in his shadow. charlie rose attempts to do battle with him and is killed as the credits roll

to "Kiss From A Rose"

xpost
yeah - exactly - just with walt jr.'s rejection he doesn't even have to bother with them

good post, brio

xxxp to the longer one

Whose motivations are ever truly clear, ever?

to "Kiss From A Rose"

you are a beautiful human being for this

good post, brio

xxxp to the longer one

― cops on horse (WilliamC), Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:18 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya

walt is dead