Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

Do you think that's the last we'll see of Saul? Looked pretty final but they could have given him a better final scene if so.

agree on this. too rushed and not enough explanation of what brought saul there and what happened to him. i know it's walt's story not saul's but it felt too dismissive of one of the best characters in the show. loved the scene of him and walt in the room together, could have happily watched a full 'rope' style episode of this this. or at least one of those little in-between-seasons web-only videos the producers made a few years back.

and the shot of jesse being busted climbing the fence was one of the most gutting moments ever put to tape/video. up there with that bit in funny games.

agree on this. too rushed and not enough explanation of what brought saul there and what happened to him. i know it's walt's story not saul's but it felt too dismissive of one of the best characters in the show. loved the scene of him and walt in the room together, could have happily watched a full 'rope' style episode of this this. or at least one of those little in-between-seasons web-only videos the producers made a few years back.

― NI, Monday, September 23, 2013 8:32 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you guys forget the part where they're doing a whole tv show about him

I on the other hand like those abrupt farewells. Wouldn't at all mind if that's the last of Saul.

I think it's fine that we don't really know everything about why Saul has to leave, because it's completely plausible that there's enough blowback here for him to be forced out

xpost yeah but saul show is set pre-bb era, i'm talking about the events of this episode

This episode was Rocky II and Gretchen and Elliott were Adrian in the hospital bed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgPrtOxvK4

xpost yeah it's definitely plausible, not flagging as a plot-hole or anything, just a personal preference

plus the final episode hasn't aired yet and we don't definitively know it was the last of him, anyway (though wouldn't be surprised if it was, being that he's in Nebraska).

I liked how Walt's public outing and the subsequent media storm were only alluded to, and they avoided the standard montage of TV anchors reading headlines. Brilliantly paced episode.

So how long was he in the cabin for, 3 or months? My first thought was 'shit, I hope he remembered to pack a book'.

it is kind of wild that in the BB universe he's basically world famous now

and hes not even leveraging the brand

woulda been funny if they cut to someone pulling up Urban Dictionary for the definition of "Heisenberged"

you have an interesting sense of humor

i loved walt n sauls final confrontation and split, so perfectly deflating of walts delusional drama

lol hes gonna take saul with him, sure buddy

yeah I would almost put $$$ on Jesse not killing anybody

stand you a beer next time I'm in your neighborhood that Jesse offs at least 2 people in the next episode and calls them bitches

good call

Walt wants to kill Nazis to get his money, Jesse wants to kill Nazis for pure vengeance -- the 2 find themselves partnered up for a few minutes in the final blowout, then each have to figure out whether to let the other live or make the final kill. Jesse makes the moral choice to walk away, Walt tries to kill Jesse but it backfires somehow. Walt dead, Jesse alive, fade to black.

i like it, except maybe the end

Then it fades in from black, showing Todd on libertarian neo-nazi island, the home he bought with the money he made off with. A black-haired woman in a bikini brings him a beer, but it is not Lydia. He looks wistfully off into the distance

woman looks into the camera and says "them's the breaks!"

the hat and the theme music were so cheesy that i wouldn't put it past them to have Walt shade tippin' and sayin' "who's your daddy?" in the finale

I like how Todd is the bizzaro-world Jesse - not exactly opposites but freaky mirror images...

There's lots of surface stuff - Jesse's a wannabe tough guy from a nice middle class family, defiant and impulsive - and looks and acts like a wacked-out stoner. Todd's a genuine psycho from a family of Aryan Nations thugs, obedient and calm - looks and acts like Opie.

But they're not entirely opposite - Todd's admiration for Walt is something Jesse once had - and they're both romantics, and they both show the only real capacity for affection almost in the whole show - even though Todd's is creepy and weird.

Having Todd's murder of Andrea mirror Jesse's murder of Gayle - knocking at the door in the middle of the night, shots to the back of the head - was really brilliant... a reminder that as much as we love Jesse, he too has killed an innocent, and at least part of the hell he's living in now is of his own making.

whoa there-gale was happily cooking meth for an international drug cartel, don't let the wacky karaoke videos fool you

Gale also tacitly approved of Gus murdering his beloved mentor, dude got what was coming to him imo

xpost i hadn't (consciously) clocked that, great observation. some brilliant stuff on this thread btw, from flat-out lols to insightful stuff like that.

ain't as if he had a choice, though.

xposts
yeah and Jesse was manipulated into it whereas Todd seemed to be running the show with Andrea's murder.... he's the one who wants to make Jesse make meth...

sure there's differences - but the two murders are definitely meant to be parallels, I think - and Jesse always believed he did have a choice and did the wrong thing... being forced to watch a similar crime to his own fits with his speech at the NA meeting when he's wracked with guilt about killing Gale: "If you just do stuff and nothing happens, what's it all mean?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njuIKGNcTVE

i can't get over the intensity of how bad it is to be jesse. i would take a comprehensively disappointing & misguided finale in which somehow he is redeemed & some sunbeam of possibility exists for him over anythin in which his burden is added to

aaron paul has depths

bryan cranston contains ... waltitudes

Don't really have anything to say/add about this one. Except that I fucking hate the deus ex Nazi. Like, all the dudes Walt has outsmarted, and this is who gets the best of him?

a-dog gonna be super-bumming right now

fuckin science ruins everything

Don't really have anything to say/add about this one. Except that I fucking hate the deus ex Nazi. Like, all the dudes Walt has outsmarted, and this is who gets the best of him?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:28 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they haven't outsmarted him, they've saved his ass twice.

Anyway, I predict Jesse will blow everything up and take the Nazis with him. Cue slow-mo shot of $80mil in flames.

that's my problem with it: Walt should be thanking them instead of carrying a grudge over money he can't even give to his family. xp

haha ya outsmarted him? they saved him from the cops, let him keep a nice chunk of the money, and disposed of the guy he wanted disposed of

Could also be interpreted as: murdered his brother-in-law and destroyed his family, stole 90% of his money, and didn't actually dispose of the guy he wanted disposed of

Outsmarted seems pretty fair

p sure Walt did a pretty good job of destroying his family on his own

the nazis maybe fared better than past criminal associates cause they didnt under estimate him

and didn't actually dispose of the guy he wanted disposed of

― brio, Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:42 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Walt's priority was keeping Jesse from getting Walt arrested and that's exactly what the Nazis did for him. Whether that's murder or capture doesn't really matter.

that changed after hank

Hank is the one who out-smarted Walt, the Nazis are just cleaning up the mess

I don't think Walt would really be up in arms right now about murdering Jesse vs. torturing Jesse, but I guess this is the distinction we're supposed to buy if he SEEKS REVENGE

Walt doesn't care about Jesse at this point as far as we know - this is all because the Nazis crossed Heisenberg, the money is pretty much worthless, he just wants his Scarface ending now

xpost
I don't know - I guess it's impossible to tell - but it would make sense if it did matter to Walt if Jesse lived. Jesse's still a potential threat as long as he's alive - especially after the Jane confession- either as a witness or seeking revenge himself, and he didn't seem too thrilled to hear they were still making blue meth. But I agree in general - Walt's motivations are pretty hard to make sense of right now, hopefully they make it all make more sense in the long run

is Huell ok?

next ep please let me know

walt has no survival instinct/interest rn, I think that's what this episodes rock-bottom-&-cancered prelude to him turning himself in was meant to demonstrate, so eliminating threats is not gonna be his m.o., ... imo