American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

whats up w the recent wingnut interest in aligning themselves w civil rights legends

it's the purest "I'm not a racist" move possible aside from not actually being a racist

Been going on since Nixon. Southern congressman protesting the Voting Rights Act would say it made them feel "like they were sitting in the back of the bus."

yeah i can see that when theyre doing something overtly racist and people are pointing that out but defunding obamacare and rosa parks, wut xp

just stuck on auto pilot or something

guys rosa parks fought and died so that she could have the freedom to choose not to have healthcare

died after being thrown under a bus iirc

this is different then previous token gestures of repeal in that in theory the budget is tied to it and if it doesn't pass the govt shuts down in eleven days. this is after months of tea party repubs threatening boehner's speakership if he didn't tie cr to it and cruz calling house republicans surrender monkeys and rinos and demanding they send a defund obamacare tied cr to the senate where he had a secret plan and as a matter of fact there probably ARE enough dem votes to pass cuz no way do 2014 dems like pryor and landrieu want to vote against it it would be political suicide and even if there aren't then they'll do a talking filibuster and ted cruz can get his presidential campaign warmed up and show rand paul what a real man looks like. only now it's turning out that the dem votes aren't there and it won't even come up for a vote and a filibuster isn't really a possibility and ted cruz is backtracking and house republicans are either smirking at this jackass or laying it on and accusing him of 'waving a white flag' and of course of being a rino. the quotes from house gop aides are even better - they really can't stand that asshole. i'm seeing two trains of thought w/ scheiber and some left/central types thinking shutdown is emminent and yr yorks and costas and ponnurus saying it's unlikely, that this was always about the grownups making the tea partiers face reality. at the same time even they admit a significant portion of repubs think stopping obamacare at any cost is worth a few weeks of shutdown, that obama is weak so very weak (putin broke him! the FORMER HEAD OF THE KGB!) and unpopular and the american ppl will side w/ them, this isn't 1995 they have fox news now. can boehner get a majority of house repubs to vote for a cr that doesn't defund obamacare? if not can he violate the hastert rule and not risk mutiny? and is the real fight in mid-october when they gotta raise the debt limit again? or is there no fight likely there since obama has refused to even enter discussions?

had some people at work today celebrating the fact that they finally defunded Obamacare. With only the slightest sense of malice, I explained to them it's not exactly enough to make a bill into a law.

feel like a short shutdown would prob be good for america

and yeah the debt limit is prob a nonstarter

I sometimes feel like 60% of the problems we have right now can be tied to the removal of American civics classes

plz hold off on the permanent shutdown until i have finished my treehouse

eh you can teach people how the government is set up all you want but if the way its set up doesnt really make any logical sense theres always gonna be problems

hence "sometimes" and "60%"

no im sorry your estimate is stone wild

I stand firmly behind my wishy-washy pulled-from-my-ass statistic *arms crossed*

those two dem defund votes don't surprise me (blue dogs, if anything i'm surprised there aren't more), that one repub nay vote is kinda interesting - republican district trending somewhat blue (all-in on cuccinelli and mcdonell but voted obama X 2, kaine, warner).

Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

is our dogs blue?

Rigell, the Va. Republican who voted with the Dems's district includes the largest concentration of active duty and retired service members in the United States.

freshly arrive in my junk foler from DCCC / Pelosi:

This morning, Speaker Boehner and House Republicans PASSED a bill that would threaten a government shutdown in order to put insurance companies back in charge of your health care.

THEY ARE IN CHARGE BEEYOTCH

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/opinion/krugman-the-crazy-party.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1379660536-C0x6nZy/F+3DsoA1PzGiZg&

i think krugman's point that the GOP has released a stage where "the elite has lost control of the frankenstein-like monster it created" is pretty on-point

for sure

I've completely changed my attitude to Hilary. About a week ago, feeling very euphoric because of a manic episode I told my household that I would cook them a nice dinner, so everyone could chill after a weeks work. So, with much difficulty I gathered the ingredients, lugging bags on the bus, when lo! my bus was delayed by about 2 hours by a big parade and some-such nonsense. Hilary Clinton was in town (this is in St Andrews, Scotland. I got home too late to feed my kin, who went to the pub hungry and looked at me with hateful eyes. Thanks Obama Hilary.

Is this a good thread to talk about Romney's newest granddchild?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/20/mitt-romney-grandchild-kieran-james-romney_n_3964119.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciar%C3%A1n

i think krugman's point that the GOP has released a stage where "the elite has lost control of the frankenstein-like monster it created" is pretty on-point

they were already at this point when Romney just barely got the nom imho

oh lol ok i was unaware of exactly how idiotic this defund obamacare scheme is http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/cruz-turns-obamacare-defunding-plan-to-fiasco.html

Step one of this far-fetched scheme was the passage of a “continuing resolution,” which keeps the government open, attached to abolishing Obamacare. Now it goes to the Senate. Once that bill comes up for a vote in the Senate, the majority can vote to strip away the provision defunding Obamacare. That vote can’t be filibustered. It’s a simple majority vote, and Democrats have the majority.

What Senate Republicans can do is filibuster to prevent the bill from coming to a vote at all. That’s the only recourse the Senate defunders have. And Ted Cruz is promising to do just that: “ I hope that every Senate Republican will stand together,” he says, “and oppose cloture on the bill in order to keep the House bill intact and not let Harry Reid add Obamacare funding back in.” A “committed defunder” in the Senate likewise tells David Drucker, “Reid must not be allowed to fund Obamacare with only 51 votes.”

they are going to filibuster their own bill, then... declare victory

I happened to be watching this morning when this took place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gy7xtZ2pRg

Boy, Wallace practically reached out and slapped him.

That brief overlay of Sen. McCaskill looked suspiciously like the producer freaking out in the booth. btw, tucker deserved worse than he got, but wallace preserved decorum nicely, albeit with heavy eye-rolling.

tuck surely attempting to juice some story his site is making a big deal out of right (i'm guessing - no way i'm checking)? some conflict of interest there. reminds me of the 'that anger! that black black black anger!' "bombshell" he had last election. meanwhile nymag had a big interview w/ hillary, nothing of interest to be gleaned. buzzfeed ben speculated it was timed to drop today to deflect from another story w/ plenty of interest to be gleaned that's supposed to drop later today - anyone know what's he's talking about? politico, nyer, tnr, espn the magazine?

Yep. The suggestion I got from Wallace's reaction is annoyance that he was getting used to pimp this fool's story. Of course it's never stopped Wallace from pimping others' ghostwritten memoirs though.

Tnr story on Doug Band xp

just read it - doesn't seem particularly damaging of the clintons imo. always in the market for a hit-piece on doug band. thank you florida.

one of the few things i will give credit to house of cards for is that it acknowledged that whole world of skeezy corporate access charities

lol tucker once and always a feeb

taking their time...

Reid will move to strip the Obamacare language from the funding bill and send it back to the House as early as the middle of next week.

The House will then have to decide whether to accept that bill or amend it and send it back to the Senate. House GOP aides expect these negotiations to last into late next week, and possibly into the weekend.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/house-defunds-obamacare-97124.html#ixzz2fj9hfCRy

As early as the middle of next week? next tuesday is September 1.

??

oh wait, that article was published on 9/20, so they were talking about this week. nm

PLENTY OF TIME

Also next Tuesday is Oct. 1, Marty McFly.

everything is under control

*bursts out of the 2nd floor window screaming in panic*

Perhaps the Senate should insert language defunding the office staffs of the House of Reps just for a lark.

hah

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B-Hbze4IOYU/UkCfr8fNFjI/AAAAAAAAOJU/_Cilpt8TPes/s640/gop-chart-large.jpg

this guy http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201310/ted-cruz-republican-senator-october-2013

But all along, what kept drawing my eye was a giant oil painting above the couch depicting Cruz as he delivered the first of his nine oral arguments before the Supreme Court. "I was 32 years old," he recalled. "It was abundantly clear we didn't have a prayer.... And I've always enjoyed the fact that as I'm sitting at my desk, I'm looking at a giant painting of me getting my rear end whipped 9-0." He gazed at the wall. It is an unusual painting: From the artist's vantage point, we see three other courtroom artists, each also drawing Cruz—so the painting actually features not one but four images of young Cruz before the bench. "It is helpful," he explained to me, "for keeping one grounded."