American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

they don't have any guns

no butter either

lol

Let's call the whole thing off

^^ next thread title

Obamacare battle moves to campuses.

ugh motherFUCKERS

not even gonna watch uncle sam give someone a pelvic exam

Rand Paul: "Does anybody remember Charlie Sheen when he was kind of going crazy...And he was going around, jumping around saying 'Winning, winning, we're winning. Well I kind of feel like that, we are winning. And I'm not on any drugs."

uh

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/190ntq5rkvhr4gif/ku-xlarge.gif

Re the House vote cutting Snap(food stamp) money:

Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.), a strong supporter of the bill, said that stiffer work requirements for certain adults applying for SNAP funds mean “you can no longer sit on your couch . . . and expect the federal taxpayer to feed you.”

The House voted 217 to 210 to approve the measure. Fifteen Republicans joined with all of the Democrats present to vote against the plan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-passes-gop-plan-to-slash-food-stamp-funding/2013/09/19/090e9534-214b-11e3-b73c-aab60bf735d0_story.html

man these guys are really going all-out with their memes and their internets and their snark

so it seems the thinking is that ACA lives or dies on whether enough healthy youngsters sign up for it. which makes me a little concerned - not so much bc the Koch's are making any real headway with these shitty opt out campaigns - but rather because a lot of people are stupid and lazy and will just pay the fine. #WINNING

man these guys are really going all-out with their memes and their internets and their snark

― |citation needed| (will), Friday, September 20, 2013 10:03 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hip young conservatives dragging their party into the 21st century

Ruth Marcus, W. Post columnist, pushing the standard inside the beltway elite compromise:

The contours of a deal are as ever: blending entitlement changes and new revenue through tax reform. But the obstacles to a deal also remain firmly in place. Serious talks are close to nonexistent. The ability to quickly concoct a mini-bargain is limited.

The House just passed their spending bill that defunds Obamacare

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-passes-gop-spending-plan-that-defunds-obamacare/2013/09/20/4019117c-21fe-11e3-b73c-aab60bf735d0_story.html?hpid=z1

Lawmakers voted 230 to 189 to approve the funding measure. Two Democrats, Reps. Jim Matheson (Utah) and Mike McIntyre (N.C.), joined with 228 Republicans to approve the plan; one Republican, Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.), joined with Democrats.

its funny how this has become such a big deal with them considering theyve voted to defund obamacare like 20 times already

and shockingly it hasnt worked any of those times but im sure they just need to try harder or something

% of gop congresspeople regretting grandstanding re obamacare and the total destruction of human society: ballpark 40%-65%

vote harder morans

who are the guys who broke with party lines and what are their deals?

well one's from Utah

prob just pressed the wrong button or w/e

they don't think being Democrats is reason enough to hate themselves

http://i.imgur.com/VKrienD.png

heh

genuine belly laugh

whats up w the recent wingnut interest in aligning themselves w civil rights legends

it's the purest "I'm not a racist" move possible aside from not actually being a racist

Been going on since Nixon. Southern congressman protesting the Voting Rights Act would say it made them feel "like they were sitting in the back of the bus."

yeah i can see that when theyre doing something overtly racist and people are pointing that out but defunding obamacare and rosa parks, wut xp

just stuck on auto pilot or something

guys rosa parks fought and died so that she could have the freedom to choose not to have healthcare

died after being thrown under a bus iirc

this is different then previous token gestures of repeal in that in theory the budget is tied to it and if it doesn't pass the govt shuts down in eleven days. this is after months of tea party repubs threatening boehner's speakership if he didn't tie cr to it and cruz calling house republicans surrender monkeys and rinos and demanding they send a defund obamacare tied cr to the senate where he had a secret plan and as a matter of fact there probably ARE enough dem votes to pass cuz no way do 2014 dems like pryor and landrieu want to vote against it it would be political suicide and even if there aren't then they'll do a talking filibuster and ted cruz can get his presidential campaign warmed up and show rand paul what a real man looks like. only now it's turning out that the dem votes aren't there and it won't even come up for a vote and a filibuster isn't really a possibility and ted cruz is backtracking and house republicans are either smirking at this jackass or laying it on and accusing him of 'waving a white flag' and of course of being a rino. the quotes from house gop aides are even better - they really can't stand that asshole. i'm seeing two trains of thought w/ scheiber and some left/central types thinking shutdown is emminent and yr yorks and costas and ponnurus saying it's unlikely, that this was always about the grownups making the tea partiers face reality. at the same time even they admit a significant portion of repubs think stopping obamacare at any cost is worth a few weeks of shutdown, that obama is weak so very weak (putin broke him! the FORMER HEAD OF THE KGB!) and unpopular and the american ppl will side w/ them, this isn't 1995 they have fox news now. can boehner get a majority of house repubs to vote for a cr that doesn't defund obamacare? if not can he violate the hastert rule and not risk mutiny? and is the real fight in mid-october when they gotta raise the debt limit again? or is there no fight likely there since obama has refused to even enter discussions?

had some people at work today celebrating the fact that they finally defunded Obamacare. With only the slightest sense of malice, I explained to them it's not exactly enough to make a bill into a law.

feel like a short shutdown would prob be good for america

and yeah the debt limit is prob a nonstarter

I sometimes feel like 60% of the problems we have right now can be tied to the removal of American civics classes

plz hold off on the permanent shutdown until i have finished my treehouse

eh you can teach people how the government is set up all you want but if the way its set up doesnt really make any logical sense theres always gonna be problems

hence "sometimes" and "60%"

no im sorry your estimate is stone wild

I stand firmly behind my wishy-washy pulled-from-my-ass statistic *arms crossed*

those two dem defund votes don't surprise me (blue dogs, if anything i'm surprised there aren't more), that one repub nay vote is kinda interesting - republican district trending somewhat blue (all-in on cuccinelli and mcdonell but voted obama X 2, kaine, warner).

Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

is our dogs blue?

Rigell, the Va. Republican who voted with the Dems's district includes the largest concentration of active duty and retired service members in the United States.

freshly arrive in my junk foler from DCCC / Pelosi:

This morning, Speaker Boehner and House Republicans PASSED a bill that would threaten a government shutdown in order to put insurance companies back in charge of your health care.

THEY ARE IN CHARGE BEEYOTCH

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/opinion/krugman-the-crazy-party.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1379660536-C0x6nZy/F+3DsoA1PzGiZg&

i think krugman's point that the GOP has released a stage where "the elite has lost control of the frankenstein-like monster it created" is pretty on-point

for sure