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that is a really easy thread to stay away from. sounds boring. does anyone even swing naked on a wrecking ball?

lmao this fierce men shit

wait i meant to post that on the clusterfuck thread. pretend that i did.

i forgot where i was for a minute...

They better give me some of the joys I'm going to have as a fierce gentleman now if they think I'm giving up "PMO"

Fierce gentleman, post-PMO-free challenge:
http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.13338580.7027/sticker,375x360.png

i forgot where i was for a minute...

― scott seward, Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:47 PM (3 minutes ago)

^^take notes, mordy

I'm revitalizing our TED thread to talk about one of the dudes linked from the fierce gentleman primer

lol, reviving, that is

Shampoo the thread

it's an interesting problem. I think if "honoring women" is tainted by patriarchy (and it surely is) then we also have to ask if, say, "don't be an asshole" is tainted in some sense as well. I mean, isn't that how things like patriarchy (or capital, or whatever) really work? don't they constrain not only norms but also opposition to those norms? and isn't that the big problem face by left/critical theory? can different terms be more or less "patriarchal" when patriarchy is more or less the totalizing hegemonic field in which those words obtain their signification? can we talk in "degrees" and is it useful to do so? just thinkin...

*thinks*

does thechive.com teach how to be a man? starting to think it might be a secret manliness tutorial

there is a "no fap" reddit iirc

i think mordy is also right that "patriarchy" as it is often slung around the internet is tautological. based on classical (and probably now rather out of date) understandings of patriarchy, anything you can say is already patriarchal before you even say it.

to my mind, this doesn't invalidate such critiques (quite the contrary!), but it does constrain their presumed authority and objectivity. so you can describe anything as patriarchal, but you can equally describe it in some other way that excludes patriarchy. you're accountable to what you're leaving out in either case.

well i mean ryan it depends how you define patriarchy i guess? like is it a totalizing gestalt or a specific constellation of stuff.

well i'm sure that discussion has its uses, but on the other hand there are a lot of people who have a well-defined meaning for the complicated term that is patriarchy, and they use in discussion with other people who have an adequately similar understanding of it, and therefore i dunno wtf mordy is on about.

http://i.imgur.com/9nm7liD.gif

like is it a totalizing gestalt or a specific constellation of stuff.

yeah obviously this is important! that's sorta what im trying to get at: how/when you draw that distinction--then again as Merdeyeux says maybe it has nothing to do with this thread.

there is a "no fap" reddit iirc

― your authentic guitar playing self (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:14 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

i actually wonder how this ties in to the whole men's movement

there is a "no fap" reddit iirc

― your authentic guitar playing self (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:14 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

i actually wonder how this ties in to the whole men's movement

― 乒乓, Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:01 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark

but really such an exploration of this connection would be merely http://i.imgur.com/9nm7liD.gif

an unquestionable meaning so, ahhhhhh

so you can describe anything as patriarchal mauve, but you can equally describe it in some other way that excludes patriarchy mauve. you're accountable to what you're leaving out in either case.

well i'm sure that discussion has its uses, but on the other hand there are a lot of people who have a well-defined meaning for the complicated term that is patriarchy mauve, and they use in discussion with other people who have an adequately similar understanding of it, and therefore i dunno wtf mordy bob ross is on about.

...

so you can describe anything as patriarchal delicious, but you can equally describe it in some other way that excludes patriarchy deliciousness. you're accountable to what you're leaving out in either case.

well i'm sure that discussion has its uses, but on the other hand there are a lot of people who have a well-defined meaning for the complicated term that is patriarchy delicious, and they use in discussion with other people who have an adequately similar understanding of it, and therefore i dunno wtf mordy alton brown is on about.

useful gif

So re: patriarchy and explanatory lift, Mordy you're saying the discussion would be more interesting if people unpacked 'patriarchy' more, rather than just saying the word? Specifically, around the internet?

Sort of agree

mordy is saying 'patriarchy' has no referent because it does not exist. he's just beating around the bush in this regard.

i'm pretty sure the "no fap" internet phenomenon is a not-so-sneaky ways for guys to talk about jerking off to other guys

http://i.imgur.com/9nm7liD.gif

http://pickuplinesx.com/signs-that-a-girl-like-you/ What kind of overlap do you think there is between PUA and the mentally ill? This 'signs that' essay seems a bit more of a 'logorrhea/pressured speech' thing than a 'english isn't my first language thing'. Got directed to that while looking for Breaking Bad cast list by the way, whish shows that meth is a gateway drug for...whatever that kid is trying to do.

dowd

Of course, maybe it's a markov generator, and therefore a brilliant piece of conceptual art.

velko? You just gave me the fear by saying my nomme de nonsense.

And we made a football of his rowdeydowdow
Threw it in the tide for to rock and to row
And bade it a tedious returning

Ah, I see. My folk music knowledge tends towards Scottish provincialism I'm afraid. And my username is, of course, randomly chosen because I was watching Harvey when I created this account. Used to post under my full name, mind, which was an act of monumental stupidity.

By Scots I mean 'all sounded the same' 'How do you feel about Ireland? That place - that's just across the sea'. Dexys is about as Irish as my tastes run. But give me some Deacon Blue or some Proclaimers. When does the opposition start to melt?

dowd is a fairly "common" Irish surame no? With or w/o the O'

It is at that. My first and last names are also of Irish origin in real life. But that's because all my ancestors seems to have huddle in Kintyre - and you can hit Ireland with a skipping stone from there.

Is there a celtic folk thread? Anyway, my roots are more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKvB3g3HEPQ than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3iB68EKUo given my family mostly took the King's shilling. Does this stuff try to teach you how to be a man, do you think? Never worked a damn on me. I did learn, however, to never agree to DJ at a fundraiser for a Celtic Supporters Club unless you're sure no-one minds that you're a Dundee fan whose attitude to nationalism is to say the workers have no country. Also, saying I'll put the rebel songs comp on the turntable but you'll have to put the needles down yourself is not a good compromise.

That’s the worst line you can say, you will not expect her to say, “Yea, cause you are the bomb.”

That’s the worst line you can say, you will not expect her to say, “Yea, cause you are the bomb.”

She’ll send you some random text messages to you. Well, clearly she does show some interest, if you did not ask her out, she’s not going to text you anymore. DO NOT text her why she is sending you those type of messages. By doing so, she will assume you aren’t smart enough to figure that out. Girls like psychic men remember?

dude reading that takes 'girls like psychic men' literally; begins a rigorous mental training regimen to develop latent extra-sensory abilities

I keep hearing this in my head like some ominous poetry

Girls, like psychic men, remember.

honestly that page just reads to me more like a pure expression of teen fuckwant than anything else

Yea, verily thou art the bomb

“I have a feeling that you won’t do it, but do you want to walk outside and to my apartment now? I wanna show you something.” Sometimes they’ll still tease you like, “Oh like what?” Just grab her hand and say, “Comon, I’ll show you.”

^good ending to a new yorker short story imo

It's not that I didn't think that was written by Intense Teenager, it's just that something about the breathless objectification struck me as similar to the thinking behind these life coach sex pest guys. I suppose it's something to do with the combination of 'Eureka! Women only fuck good looking guys!' zazen stuff the barely suppressed passive agression directed towards those who do not surrender what the PUA has earned.

sorry to quote at length, but...i'm going to quote at length:

http://meetinggirlsonmetro.com/blog1/2013/08/01/the-douchebags-guide-to-getting-laid/

Any douche can get laid. All you need to do is follow these simple rules.

Shirts: As a douche, your shirt is the first way to tell women you are trawling for vag and not here to discuss My Little House on the Prairie. It needs to be loud. It needs to look expensive. She needs to see that shirt and say “God, I want to fuck that shirt.”

Why?: Showing a predilection for material goods develops a subconscious connection. She now thinks you can relate to aspects of her life.

Collar: Does the shirt have a collar? Pop it. Yes. I’m serious. Don’t care about your opinion on the matter.

Why?: A popped collar shows disdain for societal norms. And that’s how I am in the sack, baby. My popped collar says we won’t be starting or finishing in missionary.

Hair: Product, dude. Gotta have the product. Doesn’t really matter what. Use gel or sculpting paste or pomade if you truly are an asshole. Douchebags must show they care about their hair.

Why?: Shimmering, chemical-based coifs work as a lighthouse to attract women from afar. Perhaps even across the Pacific. Asian FTW.

Yelling: Yell a lot. When you are in a cab. When you are processing down the aisle with a bridesmaid. At the supermarket. You are the most important person here and you need to display that.

Why?: Evolution, my brah. Women are still turned on by the strong vocal chords of the howler monkeys we evolved from. (Ever taken a girl to the primate house at the zoo? Hoo baby.)

Drinks: Bud Light Platinum. Were you seriously considering something else on the night you were trying to be a douchebag?

Why?: No woman can resist a man slugging BL Nums.

Honesty: Are you just here to get some trim, dawg? Let that be known the moment you meet every girl. “Me? I’m tryna get my dick sucked. Are we doing lemon drops or Jager bombs?”

Why?: Women love honesty.

Lastly, Don’t Ever Doubt Yourself: Would a true douchebag waffle about hitting the dance floor? Say “Ehh… I don’t know. I’m not that good.” No, he’d rip off the snap pants he was wearing (I forgot to tell you to wear snap pants) to reveal his sexy dancing briefs (you are wearing sexy dancing briefs, right?). Any hesitation shows you are not a true douche.

Why?: Authority. By showing how much you lord over everything (dance floor, alcohol, your alcohol tolerance, chumps trying to start shit) you show yourself to be an actual lord. Kings were the original douchebags and women will be attracted to you for access to land and water. Hey, it’s my fault we live in a Magna Carta-based society. Use it to your advantage.