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xp: It wasn't an advanced rocket. Both government and rebels have tons of 132mm launchers and rockets, a technology dating back to 1942, and they work just fine for delivering chemical agents where accuracy isn't all that important.

They may even be superior to artillery shells, as the launcher and round can use cheaper, developing world materials, rather than high strength forgings, and still hold more explosive or chemical agent than a similarly sized shell.

I don't know how the Syrian military marked their chemical rounds, the U.S. Army used distinctive green bands around their shells. If chemical munitions were being distributed to lower level units, many manned by militias, it was probably only a matter of time before a few found their way into a launcher by command or accident.

Sanpaku, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, according to what I've read, it wasn't 'a few' and it's pretty unlikely that 'lower lever units' would be entrusted with chemical weapons to begin with, as the chance of the shell being handled wrongly, leaking and killing many of your own soldiers is too high.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Sy Hersh thinks Obama had some lies of omission about Syria non-shocker

Barack Obama did not tell the whole story this autumn when he tried to make the case that Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack near Damascus on 21 August. In some instances, he omitted important intelligence, and in others he presented assumptions as facts. Most significant, he failed to acknowledge something known to the US intelligence community: that the Syrian army is not the only party in the country’s civil war with access to sarin, the nerve agent that a UN study concluded – without assessing responsibility – had been used in the rocket attack.

But in recent interviews with intelligence and military officers and consultants past and present, I found intense concern, and on occasion anger, over what was repeatedly seen as the deliberate manipulation of intelligence.

The same official said there was immense frustration inside the military and intelligence bureaucracy: ‘The guys are throwing their hands in the air and saying, “How can we help this guy” – Obama – “when he and his cronies in the White House make up the intelligence as they go along?”’

Multiple Miggs (dandydonweiner), Sunday, 8 December 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link

Related: Sy Hersh doesn't have a better outlet than the London Review of Books?

Multiple Miggs (dandydonweiner), Sunday, 8 December 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link

hersh prob OTM as per usual.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 December 2013 03:18 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

There's never been a shortage of armchair pundits advocating killing to avert famine. For those with short memories.

disposable soma (Sanpaku), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

good article https://harpers.org/archive/2016/01/a-special-relationship/

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Sunday, 31 January 2016 07:54 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

A US air strike killed more than 85 civilians, including children, in Syria on Tuesday after the coalition mistook them for Islamic State fighters.

Some eight families were hit as they tried to flee fighting in their area, in one of the single deadliest strikes on civilians by the alliance since the start of its operations in the war-torn country.

Pictures of the aftermath of the dawn strikes on the Isil-controlled village of Tokhar near Manbij in northern Syria showed the bodies of children as young as three under piles of rubble.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strikes appeared to have been carried out in error, with the civilians mistaken for Islamist militants.

It is thought Tuesday’s bombing was among the first by jets taking off from Incirlik air base in Turkey since it reopened after the failed coup.

The area has seen intense fighting between extremists and members of the US-backed Syria Democratic Forces (SDF) that have been advancing towards the Isil stronghold of Manbij under the cover of intense airstrikes by the US-led coalition.

The coalition has carried out more than 450 air strikes around the city since the operation to take the town began in May.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/us-air-strike-in-syria-kills-up-to-85-civilians-mistaken-for-isi/

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

is there another thread where we all freak out at the assassination of the russian ambassador to turkey.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Monday, 19 December 2016 21:48 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...

no shit. https://t.co/kyq7746lwK

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) August 17, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 August 2017 21:17 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

"the West" still stands for blowing shit up......thank you pic.twitter.com/lAYXODksUP

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) April 15, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 April 2018 03:08 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

This language is directly from the Dick Cheney & Karl Rove playbook and script when they would attack Democrats in the Bush years who wanted to "cut and run" and leave the various Middle East wars. There's zero difference in rhetoric or mentality: "our enemies will not fear us." https://t.co/HJ7Lr7WRsW

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 20, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link

Assad is bad imo

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:47 (five years ago) link

Yeah, but Iraqi Shia and Afghan crime lords were despicable allies. The YPG are cool.

Sanpaku, Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link

Assad purposely bombed clinics run by Doctors Without Borders because they treated anyone who came to them, some of whom may have been combatants. Of course, all of the medical staff and most of the patients were non-combatants. So, yes, he is bad.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:54 (five years ago) link

he sure is, and doesn't appear to be going anywhere, as Nobel winner Obama himself said

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:24 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/03/world/us-raid-syria-isis

Syria? ISIS? What the fuck?

peace, man, Thursday, 3 February 2022 14:21 (two years ago) link


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