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I am perfectly fine with criticizing on ilx what I find to not be ideal when I am a lot more compromising in daily life

i feel the opposite way entirely

by "a lot more compromising" I mean calling out friends but sitting quiet when my coworkers crack jokes assuming they don't know anything about cooking or cleaning but their wives are really in charge at home ("the boss")

everyone itt otm but its is a prime example of nu-ilx's gradschool vibe being so much more tedious and boring than whatever ilx was in 2008

I like when it goes on for several days and then max pipes up with a one-line comment sarcastically agreeing and disappears

What is going on here exactly? Seems Mordy and everyone else are on pretty much the same side, right? Is it just because it's him?

yeah no

i mean mordy has tried to deny the patriarchal implications of "honoring women" so no i do not think that we agree, exactly

yeah, hell, i deny the patriarchy tbh

me + hannah rosen - we're clearing the way

the greatest trick the patriarchy ever played was convincing the world that the patriarchy doesn't exist

~makes u think~

just look at the media, at the entertainment industry, the patriarchy is already gone

Yes. Women actors stop getting parts when they pass age 40, while 60 year old men still get cast as romantic leads, because that's what the audience demands, not because of the patriarchy, for gosh sakes.

my primary problem w/ the term 'patriarchy' is that it does very little explanatory lifting while making dumb ppl think they understand something about the way society operates

yeah right on, comrade

so basically the same problem i have w/ 'privilege,' 'social justice,' and a variety of other trendy tumblr terms

But not 'honour'. Nope, that one's fine.

I am spartacus the patriarchy a tumblr white ready for my close-up, Mr Demille.

i know i only learnt the word honor last week on socialjusticeagainstpatriarchy.tumblr.com but i feel like it's going to be a keeper for the language

are there any terms as such that do explanatory lifting? in german maybe.

(and more to the point, is there any help for dumb people from language? [or anything else])

Wait, you *actually* think that tumblr invented the term patriarchy? Because otherwise that sarcasm makes no sense. Either way, you're being an idiot.

i like to use words with other words because they can explain more than words without other words, but that's just me i'm weird that way i dunno

i don't think tumblr invented the term patriarchy. i think a lot of ppl learnt the term from tumblr however.

So, because someone learned a term wrong on the Internet, there's no point in using it correctly? Is that actually your argument or are you just being contrary because you don't want to be challenged?

"my problem with these terms is that i consider myself to be way smarter than the people who use them, because of reasons plus i went to school a lot. if they can't frame their experiences and grievances in the proper terminology that i prefer and which is correct then they are just big dumb baby whiners. QED."

it's not that ppl are or aren't using it correctly, it's that the way it's used online - and esp on ilx - is tautological.

can you please explain how my use of the word "patriarchal" upthread expresses a tautology?

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that should be easy to verify, bcz this is ilx and we have been using the term.

for instance:

Yes. Women actors stop getting parts when they pass age 40, while 60 year old men still get cast as romantic leads, because that's what the audience demands, not because of the patriarchy, for gosh sakes.

― Aimless, Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:48 PM (21 minutes ago)

what does that post mean? what would you do w/ this explanation for the phenomenon? when looking at social contexts you're already overwhelmed w/ overdetermination - it's silly to then start to pretend you understand why things happen bc you have a trendy jargon term.

projecting much

aimless would undoubtedly say that 'patriarchy' encompasses a variety of phenomena which is what makes it tautological - it is meaningless on its own, only in reference to the things you are assuming get wrapped up in it. it's a way of conveying a sentiment, or affect, but there's no actual content in the declaration. elmo, you said that 'honor' has patriarchal implications. what the fuck is a patriarchal implication? how can a word have an implication for a theoretical system of social organization? you mean that some ppl who you identify as reifying this system may also use this term? it's just total vague handwaving.

it's not that ppl are or aren't using it correctly, it's that the way it's used online - and esp on ilx - is tautological.

Wait, so... Mordy claims that the FIERCE GENTLEMEN are fine saying they 'honour women' because the way Mordy uses honour isn't sexist and therefore it can't ever be used in a sexist way, but then claims that nobody is allowed to use the term patriarchy because some people on the internet use it 'tautologically'? WTF?

"it is meaningless on its own, only in reference to the things you are assuming get wrapped up in it."

Saussure to thread

i claim it's fine bc you made up the context that gives it 'patriarchal implications.' you can't use paratext and then pretend it's subtext; that's daft. and please, use the term patriarchy in a way that's insightful and interesting and brings something new to the table besides yelling at anonymous internet ppl. what a refreshing change that would be.

do your words have meaning on their own not only in reference to other things mordy? because that's quite an achievement.

i claim it's fine bc you made up the context that gives it 'patriarchal implications.'

What did I make up when now?

do you believe there's a difference between giving a causative description of a phenomenon and blaming it on 'patriarchy' or 'capitalism' or other words that imply systems of ideology but don't have referents themselves?

we've all failed at academic rigor on an internet message board, lock thread, everyone go home

a man telling a woman exactly how to use the term patriarchy
explain THAT phenomenon!

but you've succeeded at nebulous 'social justice' so celebrate w/ some pizza + coke

i love it when mordy goes into full-throttle smartypants mode when challenged

oh yeah, that's another thing i don't give a shit about kinder. xxp

what is?

being a dick

i don't think your gender gives you special insight into particular words

"don't have referents"

and now we get to the meat of the question!

what is the referent of 'honor'.

what is the referent of 'language'.

what is the referent of 'difference'.

what is the referent of 'buffalo'.

what is the referent of 'referent'.

what is the referent of 'insight'.

*my* gender?

haha wow