Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

I've been thinking about "Ozymandias", and one thing I don't really get is, why didn't the Nazis just kill Walt after they dug up the money? If they want to cook more meth, they have Jesse, so Walt is a total loose end. They just killed Walt's brother-in-law, and he was clearly quite upset, so can the Nazis really be 100% sure he won't go to the cops and implicate them on the murder of two DEA agents? Uncle Jack says that Todd respects Walt, so I guess it's supposed to be a case of Honour Among Crooks, but on the other hand that honour didn't stop them from killing Hank against Walt's wishes, from not killing Jesse even though Walt asked them to, and from stealing 80 million of Walt's money.

Uncle Jack seems like a smart guy, so would he really risk them loosing the 80 million and going to jail because of Todd's "respect"? Anyway, since they decided let Walt live, giving him the barrel of money was actually a smart move, because now he has a reason to keep quiet about the whole affair. If they left Walt with nothing, he might feel he has nothing to loose, so he could go and talk to the cops.

i hope it's a montage of people saying heisenberg on news shows ending with joel mchale making a jesse eisenberg joke on the soup

Looooool

My wife was working late Sunday night so I waited for her and didn't watch this episode til 4am, I couldn't get to sleep for like 90 minutes after the episode.

one thing I don't really get is, why didn't the Nazis just kill Walt after they dug up the money?

he's the main character and there's still two episodes to go

Well doh, but the writers could've at least tried to come up with some good explanation why he's still alive.

Walt is a valued business associate, why kill him?

Didn't you read my post above? They don't need him as business associate anymore, because they have his money and they have Jesse. And besides Jesse, he's the only person who can implicate them on the killing of two cops, which should plenty enough reason to shoot him too.

i think we can all now be sure that the last scene will be todd sitting in a diner. enter lydia, dressed to kill... todd looks around the room and "don't stop believin" plays as it fades to black.

todd looks up to walt and talks jack into it, and jack says hes in a good mood... obviously its a mistake but people make mistakes

i mean... it's a mistake, but is walt going to rat them up? not a chance. maybe jack has seen enough to know this.

They don't need him as business associate anymore, because they have his money and they have Jesse. And besides Jesse, he's the only person who can implicate them on the killing of two cops, which should plenty enough reason to shoot him too.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:10 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if you kill literally everyone who knows about your crimes you'll never stop murdering

a wonderful criminal amalgam of "teach a man to fish..." and "if you love your job, you'll never work a day in your life"

Amazing episode, just the sheer emotional carnage at the end of it, pretty much every character at rock bottom. They kind of bungled the Junior reveal but maybe because the writers didn't have enough faith in the actor, I dunno.

Walt fucked up so badly by mentioning the money. If he'd held the prospect of that last cook over them as a bargaining tool then he *might* have got Hank out of there, even as a prisoner. On the other hand, they did find out he was a DEA agent, and Jesse was under the car, so maybe not.

Think it's pretty unlikely that Walt is coming back to save Jesse at this point, you get the sense that Walt and Jesse are locked into this revenge spiral now - I'd be very surprised if the last episode wasn't some kind of standoff between them. Especially when Jesse realises that Walt is the only way the Nazis could have known about his girlfriend + Brock. If Jesse somehow gets out of this then things are not looking good for Skylar at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was relatively little Walt in the penultimate episode, feels like that character is more or less where he needs to be for the finale, but there's a load of Jesse/Lydia/Skylar shit they need to cover. Kinda think Lydia might still be the pivotal character here, depending on whether a) she's squeamish about having a bloody meth slave chained up in her lab and b) Jesse is more useful to her than Todd and his gang, even if he's a livewire. You can always hire more muscle.

Other than Skylar, I'm not sure there's anyone alive who even knows/cares about Saul. Obviously Skylar has got some pretty fucking huge reasons to be right round Saul's office almost immediately, but he looks fairly likely to survive at this point.

One thing they did point out in the last episode but one is that Jack and the other Nazi dudes don't wear masks in the lab. If they're inhaling enough fumes then he might stand a chance of getting out of there.

They kind of bungled the Junior reveal but maybe because the writers didn't have enough faith in the actor, I dunno.

exactly what I thought. they had to rush it a bit plot-wise and ended up not even showing it. but presumably they shot a longer version and cut it, that's how it seemed. it's a shame, that character could have had more about him if they had someone who could act.

a wonderful criminal amalgam of "teach a man to fish..." and "if you love your job, you'll never work a day in your life"

― Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:43 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

funny that there's an instinctive feeling that it's the nazis that are the real evil that threatens to upend order and society and terrorise lives but how much damage could they ever have potentially wrought even if they were really to go for it - walt and his reverberations have ruined a v many lives, even ignoring all the lives that his meth will have ruined and be ruining and across the country and now in another continent and his scheme has now put this far-reaching creeping insidious ability to ruin lives in the hands of the nazis teamed up with businesswoman lydia because he's lost control of the scheme but even if he hadn't then taking him out (yes he had ~retired~ and was ~going straight~) would be a greater good to the world than taking out the nazis as they were

What show are you watching? Who cares? No one is team Walt here.

in glasgow?

i personally enjoyed the scene of hank getting capped. wish they didn't cut away and wish walt had done it before, referenced the s1 gun at the party incident.

done it himself, i meant to say

something about gomie being already dead and stretched out bothered me more than hank's demise. he really was just backing up his old buddy.

It's because no one gives a shit about Gomie.

The Nazis aren't really even that important other than as a manifestation of the rampaging consequences of Walt's actions.

Was thinking last night how well-cast Jack is. He hasn't had long to impress as a villain and he has impressed. Would have been a great character with a few more episodes to flesh him out.

What show are you watching? Who cares? No one is team Walt here.

― tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:40 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

i am

walt... ftw

yeah the guy who plays Jack is really cool. he had some really good moments in this last ep.

great costumes too last night.

i am team walt too. i don't like him, i just know that the best arc for the story is walt to "win" by total horrible destruction. i reckon most people who watch it want this, or at least that's what i thought.

The writers really want you to be, if not on Walt's side, then at least identifying with him even as he gets worse and worse. There are other parallel Walt's in the show (Lydia and Mike clearly weren't always the people we've seen) but Walt's the only one whose arc we really care about.

I'm not sure there's any way for Walt to 'win' now. He's going to die of cancer. His family is divided and destroyed and won't ever take what money there is left. It's all about... not losing, whatever that means.

yeah there's not a lot left for him, for sure. i suppose not being arrested or ending up in jail is a win of sorts. i mean, he kinda followed his own evil to its deepest point, that's sort of a win which you can enjoy from the safety of your couch.

I think there's a chance he might end up smoking that ricin cigarette himself.

That's a really good call. Like perhaps he brings that as a way of killing himself in case capture was on the horizon.

btw it didn't occur to me at the time, until a friend in work pointed it out, but the whole aggressive phonecall to skylar was basically him exonerating her, knowing the cops were there, right?

yes, her face did an amazing tiny little shift when she realised what he was doing, it was brilliant.

he was in tears and the call was so ott and deliberately hammy even it couldn't have been anything else!

surely if walt wanted a way of killing himself in the event of capture it would involve a less painful death and one that didn't involve him holding onto the cigarette and lighting it up and smoking it

I was under the impression that the ricin was just in a little vial now? The cigarette would be extremely dry after over a year taped to an electric socket and a most unpleasantly harsh suicide smoke.

it was always in a vial, though, wasn't it? even when it was in the cigarette.

he was in tears and the call was so ott and deliberately hammy even it couldn't have been anything else!

i accept this may have been really obvious, yeah.

the cigarette was merely to transfer the ricin IIRC. It's not a ricin delivery mechanism, I think the plans was for Jesse to slip it in Gus' coffee.

also I think it was Sanpaku who dropped the knowledge that a ricin death takes like 72 hours and is super horrible so if Walt wanted to commit suicide he'd choose something else

transfer transport

jesus you people don't sleep?!

Still feeling somewhat shaken up by last night's ep.

Especially when Jesse realises that Walt is the only way the Nazis could have known about his girlfriend + Brock.

My memory of the whole ricin/poisoning/Brock incident is fuzzy - what was the significance of the photo in the basement?

season 2 and most of season 5 till the last few have dragged a bit

Madness, season 2 is a masterpiece of pacing and buildup, and may be my favourite of them all.

They don't need him as business associate anymore, because they have his money and they have Jesse. And besides Jesse, he's the only person who can implicate them on the killing of two cops, which should plenty enough reason to shoot him too.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:10 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if you kill literally everyone who knows about your crimes you'll never stop murdering

― Matt Armstrong, 17. syyskuuta 2013 11:41 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe in general, but in this case there were exactly two people alive who knew the Nazis had killed Gomey and Hank, and those two people were at their mercy.

xpost to dl, the nazis were outside brock's house when walt was expecting to lure jesse there - so the photo is to show jesse that they know where thingummy & brock live and will kill them if he doesnt cooperate

Yeah it's nothing to do with the Brock poisoning per se.

I am still holding out a vague and folorn hope that Jesse might actually get to spend the rest of his life playing video games with Andrea and Brock. What with that and wanting to get back at Walt, he's one of the few main characters with something to actually live for.

i thought it was important that walt didn't tell the aryans that jesse was a rat, which he most definitely was, even when he was purchasing his death. it doesn't matter much now because they found him chilling with two dea agents but....

i guess i'm a horrible person but i wanted to see jesse tortured and killed in a horrible way for fucking everything up.

nah i can see that. the show has a lot more sympathy for jesse than he deserves imo

I was on the "Jessie is a dick" bandwagon for a while until he started his confession video with how he first met Walt when he was his teacher. I don't know how I'd forgotten that but I had.