itt blogs instruct you how to be a man

just remember that jews are not the source of your problems, okay?

Well, not in that it's not cool for them to exist, but that perhaps we don't want those tenets applied to our lives. If people do, that's cool! As long as it's mutually-consensual in relationships.

also, i have a broader contention that anything that self-identifies as being a male movement gets derided including things i've found to be beautiful and psychologically compelling aka robert bly - not everything is the same etc.

this may go to a broader disagreement i realize about whether there is a place in leftist ideals for fraternities/brotherhoods of men of any type (even theoretically utopian/progressive organizations) or if the inherent exclusion of women in light of historical systemic sexism makes such a composition always problematic. obv i fall into the category that doesn't necessarily have a problem w/ all-male organizations (tho many/most are certainly troubling on their own merits) but i understand if you come from a different pov.

whether something gets derided is of no importance. those same things will also be defended. what matters are the grounds upon which it is derided or defended.

all-male choruses rule

I am all for people using whatever framework it takes to find comfort in their self-expression and self-image. Some of the language about men better connecting to emotions can sound hokey, but it's an overall good.

The problem is when these things start to sound prescriptive. The idea that there is a correct way to be manly, or only one type of masculinity, is reductive. Saying that men have been "feminized" always rings that way to me, because it reinforces a gender binary.

i'm fine with men teaching men how to be righteously manly, as long as they are willing to accept and foster people of other gender presentations without prejudice or exception

i get what you're saying -- virtues are by definition good! -- but imho dividing up virtues as gender attributes isn't exactly progressive

kind of annoys me that they're packaging a specific traditionalist view as "manly" instead of coming up with a better term

it's also kind of telling that it really is wrapped up in traditionalism -- you get rugged mountain man, tailored business suit man, and man who makes things in these portrayals, but in order to incorporate something that seems out of traditional stereotypes they show that yes, here is an old-timey tailor man, so men making clothing is normal. or here are two dudes hugging in a non-sexual manner in the 1920s, so it is ok if two dudes do that today

the manly art of making sandwiches -- shows old-timey men working a deli counter for men

all male choruses are pretty cool because each testicle resonates at a different frequency

^^^ this is actually true

wub wub wub wub

FACT: this is how dubstep started

different kind of drop

epic drop

https://twitter.com/dril/status/379597234003644416

yes, but when i was an adolescent some boys in my school started snapping girls' bras and there had to be a special lecture given to the class about honoring the girls in the class. none of the boys were snapping the other boys' dicks or whatever.

― Mordy , Monday, September 16, 2013 2:32 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

way behind here, but. maybe they could have had a lecture about "don't be assholes" instead?

boys will be boys, hah hah

s. clover, while i agree w/ the pov of your post i might suggest that your technique would be more emotionally satisfying for onlookers but probably less effective as a pedagogical tool in making very young immature men into respectful, socially acceptable results. have you ever told a 12yo to "not be an asshole?"

lol results i meant adults but really what's the difference here

have you?

have you ever told a four year old to check his privilege?

have you told a 12 year old that women are equal to men and then hit him in the head with a jock strap

i've taught 12yos so i have some experience w/ teaching them. i don't think it was be effective, personally.

would* be

i could've just been like "don't ask me to teach you about sexism!" but my job was to teach them. just like the school admin who spoke to my class in 6th grade had a job to do which probably didn't involve calling the kids assholes.

nile rogers got told to "be cool" and he turned out ok, just a little anecdata for ya

http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

u could always replace the word asshole with the word jerk. like, don't be a jerk, kid.

s. clover, while i agree w/ the pov of your post i might suggest that your technique would be more emotionally satisfying for onlookers but probably less effective as a pedagogical tool in making very young immature men into respectful, socially acceptable results.

― Mordy , Monday, September 16, 2013 11:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o is that what telling them to honor women does? i sort of thought it set them up for a lifetime of being assholes in the guise of white-knighting

i mean the real thing to do would be to say A) if you do that you'll be punished B) here's why this is unpleasant to the victims and you acted badly and should feel badly C) if you did this as an adult in a professional environment your ass would be fired for harassment

o is that what telling them to calculate the hypotenuse of right triangle X as the square root of the squares of the two remaining sides does?

dying at the idea that telling 12 year olds to "honor women" is a more effective teaching technique than telling them not to be assholes

you know who else honored women?

lots of bad dudes

the 6th grade has been hijacked by assholes

are you a bad enough dude to rescue the women?

*doffs fedora*

m'lady

anyone tries to honor me they're getting kicked in the nuts
CASE CLOSED

To be fair, "Learn to slightly tweak this shitty construct" is a lot easier than "Let's explode all the shitty constructs!"

(several Oxford deans take note, cancel plans for awarding kinder an honorary doctoral degree, sigh with relief at close call)

I am perfectly fine with criticizing on ilx what I find to not be ideal when I am a lot more compromising in daily life

i feel the opposite way entirely

by "a lot more compromising" I mean calling out friends but sitting quiet when my coworkers crack jokes assuming they don't know anything about cooking or cleaning but their wives are really in charge at home ("the boss")

everyone itt otm but its is a prime example of nu-ilx's gradschool vibe being so much more tedious and boring than whatever ilx was in 2008

I like when it goes on for several days and then max pipes up with a one-line comment sarcastically agreeing and disappears

What is going on here exactly? Seems Mordy and everyone else are on pretty much the same side, right? Is it just because it's him?

yeah no

i mean mordy has tried to deny the patriarchal implications of "honoring women" so no i do not think that we agree, exactly

yeah, hell, i deny the patriarchy tbh

me + hannah rosen - we're clearing the way