Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

If there’s one thing I want to come out of what happened to me, it’s for the phrase “don’t feed the trolls” to be scrubbed from the annals of received wisdom. Not feeding the trolls doesn’t magically scrub out the image in your head of being told you’ll be gang-raped till you die. What are victims meant to do with that image, the rage and the horror that it conjures up? We’re meant to internalise it until it consumes us? Well I’m sorry, but I’m not having that.

oof, this hits hard

I'm sure 'don't feed the trolls' doesn't apply to online harrassment so it's kind of a stupid thing to say. I agree with 'don't feed the troll' when someone's just posting something challopsy or annoying just to get a rise but these people aren't trolling.

(I don't mean the above is stupid, I mean the people saying 'don't feed the trolls' in this context)

damnit this cyberharassment shit is really scary. I think my version of the "protective dad" speech is going to be "Have fun tonight, be home by 10, and if an inappropriate picture of my daughter ever winds up on the web I'm just going to slit all of her exes' throats, to cover all bases"

Completely wretched human being who was busted for the wrong thing.

― beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:59 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dunno if weev did anything he shoulda been 'busted' for as opposed to just disliked and shunned for?

i mean i'm not clear on exactly what other horrible things he did, but i'm really not for locking ppl up for being just terrible

I knew a guy who was "ironically" racist/misogynist in high school, I think partially as a reaction to his school environment and his blue collar dad really being different in default stances so he went over the top, and it was my first view into the fact that you are the person you act as in daily life, not the person you internally think you are. If people see you being a sexist asshole who treats women like shit, then...

I don't know, publishing someone's SSN, name, and location and encouraging you harass them seems criminal

well if someone does it w/r/t someone in the public eye that i already have it in for (e.g. zimmerman) then i'm gonna be on their side, i think. so then if someone does it to someone i don't have it in for in a terrible way i'm not sure how a legal distinction is possible

i mean i'm not clear on exactly what other horrible things he did, but i'm really not for locking ppl up for being just terrible

― "Dave Barlow" is the name Lou uses on sabermetrics baseball sites (s.clover), Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think he did in fact break the law he was accused of breaking (whether it's good law idk), but it's also true than in a highly technical and obscure case the prosecution paraded all of his online abusiveness and white power nuttiness in front of the jury and they threw him away.

he's also like the most famous 'troll' ever, there's a times profile of him from i swear like 3 years ago, if the other horrible thing's he's done are of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev

afaik there is no use for someone's social security number outside of malicious use? I can't think of any legitimate way I could protest or legally bother someone with it

wtf are you talking about "legal distinction" -- whether or not you think some people deserve to be harassed or not has nothing to do with whether it's against the law or not in a given jurisdiction (xp)

Also, while the CFAA is a bad law, the violation he was convicted of would probably be within the confines of a better, narrower version of the same law, i.e. it seems like the kind of conduct that legitimately should be illegal.

haha yeah, thinking someone deserves to be harassed does not make it legal to actually harass them

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?pagewanted=all

jfc, '08

well i don't know harassment law v. well, but i don't think its very strong (especially w/r/t online communication) and tends to be a misdemeanor in most cases and i don't really feel it should be beefed up.

he is also said to have trashed his enemies’ credit ratings.

uh yeah, this shit in the article combined with the fact he's spending money on stuff with no obvious source of income...

In some states I would bet you could get an aiding-and-abetting conviction for someone who posts a SS# and address with the intention of leading to harassment and where it actually does lead to a crime.

well i don't know harassment law v. well, but i don't think its very strong (especially w/r/t online communication) and tends to be a misdemeanor in most cases and i don't really feel it should be beefed up.

a bullshit opinion imo

well if someone does it w/r/t someone in the public eye that i already have it in for (e.g. zimmerman) then i'm gonna be on their side, i think. so then if someone does it to someone i don't have it in for in a terrible way i'm not sure how a legal distinction is possible

this is crazy? it is always wrong. even if one feels a savage satisfaction when someone commits a crime against a person one hates it's still a crime.

yeah, it's not like vigilante justice becomes ok just because it's online. Do you think it's alright to throw rocks at Zimmerman if you see him in public?

no, because I don't want to get shot

I knew a guy who was "ironically" racist/misogynist in high school, I think partially as a reaction to his school environment and his blue collar dad really being different in default stances so he went over the top, and it was my first view into the fact that you are the person you act as in daily life, not the person you internally think you are. If people see you being a sexist asshole who treats women like shit, then...

rip noise board

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/09/23/130923fa_fact_widdicombe?currentPage=all

I feel that there might be some good writers that come out of this bustle site, but if so, they're going to be the survivors of a sinking ship. I can't help but giggle at the complete cluelessness of this guy when he treats "women" as a demographic in the way that "sports fans" are a demographic. The parts where he conflates sports fans with men are pretty amazing, too.

He told me that he wished he’d spent time building relationships with what he called “the feminist community.” “It got me thinking,” he said. “Honestly, nothing would have been more helpful here than for some highly regarded feminist writers to say, ‘Bryan’s a good person.’ ”

bear in mind that most women, like most men, have shitty taste and are interested in reading dumb articles if at all.

That's the thing, I think the site idea isn't horrible in a not-profitable way! I just don't think that world news or celebrity gossip are written in a way that excludes women

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr05/10/7/enhanced-buzz-wide-4481-1381404561-7.jpg

happy to see the sexy cat/magician's assistant avoided censure

I don't understand. What's the goal of that img?

idk. hopefully it is satirizing people who would use hateful language to describe women wearing skimpy halloween costumes.

I think the goal of that image is to make the viewer's eyes burst into flames due to severe, uncontrollable rolling

Apparently 'slut' means 'the end' in Swedish and all the costumes thus marked are out of stock.

xp I had to take a break from eye rolling due to extreme muscle fatigue, no wonder I couldn't tell.

guys if I go in costume as a woman for halloween which of these should I pick

They're all mediocre

So what about that spanish arse drummer video then

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/bosses-in-nyc-can-sexually-harass-unpaid-interns.html

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/10/10-sexual-harassment.o.jpg/a_190x190.jpg

can't even hover-hand a butt these days without a nymag article

i can't even...

http://tbteedition.tampabay.com/ee/tampabaytimes/publink.php?shareid=0eed79ccd#.UmAikSaLuN0.facebook

is that for real?

That's been all over the blogs I read for the last day or so. Scott Lemieux at LGM does a nice job of helping blow it up: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/10/the-sexual-assault-of-women-isnt-a-problem-of-women-drinking

i agree with that person good lord, blogs can be so tiresome
i hate having someone explain to me what to be outraged about
thinkpiece hell

why don't men drink less if they're not able to stop raping when they're drunk?

sorry, that's not even necessary

that blog calls out the Slate piece. The piece I posted was in Tampa Bay Times. ie, two people wrote HEY WOMEN DRINK LESS articles. both female. one a mother.

despite having good intentions, good job at narrowing the scope of the rape discussion even more. the public's kneejerk reaction to rape reports is already "what was her BAL?", good job on just reinforcing that belief by focusing on one trigger that rapists look for (among many), whilst also placing the onus of solving the problem on the victim.

also lol at the TBT article title - yes, ending drinking = ending rape, great correllary.

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/big-butt-healthy-butt-study-says-women-big-butts-healthier/

cool study, guys

"this study did not include fake butts"

the worst

"intellectually superior" whoah stop right there, those words don't even mean anything.