2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

HRC has come back, but not far enough

david axelrod:

``We have not hesitated to draw distinctions between the candidates and we'll continue to do that," said Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod. "If Sen. Clinton wants to take the debate to various places, we'll join that debate. We'll do it on our terms and in our own way but if she wants to make issues like ethics and disclosure and law firms and real estate deals and all that stuff issues, as I've said before I don't know why they'd want to go there, but I guess that's where they'll take the race.''

look for big calls for her release her tax returns, plus those first lady pages come out in a couple weeks, don't they?

So on to PA-- anyone seen polling #s? I live near Philly and only see signs for Obama and Ron Paul--even in the suburbs.

You gotta hand it to the GOP, they know how to run campaigns. They are loving this. Thanks Ohio and Texas for four more years.

i think 2 weeks ago, hillary was up by something like 16 points, last week it shrunk to 6 points

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Why is everyone assuming that Florida and Michigan won’t be rerun?

so your argument, counsel, is that MI and FL should be punished for moving their primaries up by being given a decisive role in the nomination?

Why is everyone assuming that Florida and Michigan won’t be rerun?

somebody tell me why I'm wrong, but even if this is revisited, would it not hurt Obama? (i.e. Fla - lol old ppl and heavy hispanic pop., Michigan for a lot of the same reasons HRC did well in Ohio?)

I may be way off base...

Hillary hints at Obama/Clinton // Clinton/Obama ticket:

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/clinton.obama.ticket.2.669799.html

Speaking on "The Early Show" on CBS, Clinton said "that may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket."

Michigan is blue, Ohio is usually red -- I think Obama would do a lot better in Michigan than he did in Ohio. Even when Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot she only got about 40%, I think?

(xpost to own post)

However absurd it now seems, this might be the only way out that wouldn't leave Dem delegates (is "disenfranchising" the word I'm looking for?) Dem voters.

xpost hrc got 55, uncommitted got 40

omg this election this thread when will it end

btw i <3 clinton hinting at the superticket - its got pizazz and its def the best shot that second place finisher has at being president - losing then going back to the senate for 8 years isnt gonna help anyones chances - so YAY BRING ON THE SUPERAWESOMETICKET!

aside from "black man + white woman = YIKES", what are the arguments against it?

They're missing experience AND charisma! Oh wait.

Don't get this "Hillary can't win because of delegate math" argument. Neither can get an absolute majority and will have to rely on superdelegates. It's a big assumption that the superdelegates will automatically go with whoever has clocked up the most delegates, especially if there's a difference of under 100. Let's assume Obama stumbles badly, Clinton gains a string of victories, and by June can claim that over the course of 6 months' campaigning, there's been a change of dynamic and the momentum has swung definitively to her. In such a scenario, I can't see the superdelegates being beholden to whoever just squeaks in on delegate count.

(My supatickets, let me show you them) Actually, why not indeed? How different are their opinions really?

well yah clinton is hoping for Obama stumbles badly - but the chances of that are slim

maaaaaybe clintons backup plan is strongarming obama into picking her for veep aiming to be president 45

yeah, neither can get an unsuperdelegated win -- so what happens if between now and then we get a photo like this one:

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/gallery/scandals/ghart.jpg

god i love that photo

It's a classic.

The memories.

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/cartoon/images/opus/bk-ticklish.JPG

I was just thinking about that opus picture after Tracer posted the original!

I think it might be my favorite of the book covers. (Though the Deathtongue-as-U2 pose on the back cover of the one before it comes close.)

Anyway, to answer Tracer's question, if we get a photo of Obama in a bikini sitting in Hillary's lap, we have a winning ticket for the ages.

thread jump shark

-- remy bean, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 06:48 (8 hours ago) Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

ouch.

we need the Caspar Weinberger poem again.

http://static.flickr.com/41/119420866_1d54b6853a_o.jpg

where's the Screaming Lobster of Hope been?

http://www.sliderulemuseum.com/Ephemera/BloomCounty1988_SR_Aid.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/2u97thz.jpg

SUPERTICKET SUPERTICKET SUPERTICKET !!!

My God, he looks...demonic.

http://bkmarcus.com/blog/images/comics/LikeSenility.gif

oh man that Hart/ Rice photo has never failed to bring a smile to my face.

xxxp - LOL is that when Steve Dallas went nice and got a man perm? what was the impetus? head trauma or something?

space aliens Dolelized him.

he looks like John Kerry (xpost)

or was it "Gephardtized" him?

it is such a picture of perfect happiness

http://i29.tinypic.com/2mzl5ch.jpg

Seriously, reverse the heads.

^

Some Texas caucus results

The early results, though, Have Obama ahead -- sometimes by quite large margins -- in 21 of 31 Texas State Senate districts; Clinton leads, often by equally large margins, in the rest. (from Ben Smith/Politico)

http://i31.tinypic.com/24xospj.jpg

lol good call ned

she looks like Christian Slater.

http://superherouniverse.com/wallpaper/fanart/bingham/batman/joker.jpg

kind of gross: (in Ohio): 20% of Democrats (and these are Democrats, remember) saying that race was a factor in their decision; of those,three quarters went for Clinton. (also from Ben Smith)

again, the Clinton-Obama talk, real or not, is just sugar to make the superdelegate medicine go down easier

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1719614,00.html

don't call us, we'll call you

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_says_it_is_premature_to_talk_about_a_joint_ticket.html

Haha, glad to see that. What stage is bargaining again?