he dies of cancer while saving his family... by destroying them, my guess
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:05 (twelve years ago)
the truth all along was that his family had cancer, and not him.
― Wantaway striker (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:08 (twelve years ago)
You never actually see them NOT having cancer, with any certainty
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:10 (twelve years ago)
The only reason Walt would cross the country to buy heavy firepower from Jim Beaver and then drive back to NM and make Carol drop her groceries is1. save his family2. avenge his family
So they're either dead (all or some) or being held hostage by Lydia/Madrigal/Nazis as leverage to get him to cook again.
That's HIBIDTAE.
― cops on horse (WilliamC), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:11 (twelve years ago)
i would so rather learn walt's been less that straight about his cancer lately than find out the end is Walter saving a tied-up Walt Jr from evil nazis
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:13 (twelve years ago)
he bought the big gun in NM, drove down from NH, presumably where he was hiding out
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:13 (twelve years ago)
yeah i dont mean necessarily saving his family from being kidnaped or w/e, it could be more abstract than that
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:14 (twelve years ago)
he creates a super strain of cancer to destroy both the nazis and his family, having previously invented a cure for regular cancer to save himself.
― Wantaway striker (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:16 (twelve years ago)
he is v smart
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:17 (twelve years ago)
that's why he went back for the cig of death
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:18 (twelve years ago)
he's going to smoke it at the nazis, blow smoke their way, say "secondhand, bitches" and they'll all fall down while jesse unties walt jr and skylar from the pole they were tied to
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:19 (twelve years ago)
"feeling a little... PASSIVE aggressive?" as they all die screaming
― Wantaway striker (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:20 (twelve years ago)
it's basically like the end of raiders of the lost ark
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:20 (twelve years ago)
"i know a great mexican place nearby... let's all go have some rici'n' beans"
then saul shows up with four horses. Guess Skylar will have to ride with Walter. YEE-HA!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:21 (twelve years ago)
it'd be nice if it had a final scene with jesse and this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upJxt64uRWg
― Wantaway striker (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:24 (twelve years ago)
walter and jesse die in the penultimate episode, last episode is just a backdoor pilot for Saul's Fair
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:27 (twelve years ago)
That was the working title. They settled on Saul in the Family.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:41 (twelve years ago)
That's Saul, Folks
― dmr, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 16:43 (twelve years ago)
Saul and Huell get all cash, move to the coast, and open up a creperie in Saulty Dogs
― touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:50 (twelve years ago)
#1 seller is a dessert crepe with blue rock candy on top
― touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:54 (twelve years ago)
It's called the "hey, doesn't this crepe look like it has crystal meth on it?"
― touch. zing touch. you've almost convinced me I'm real (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:56 (twelve years ago)
creperie has a secret menu -- order the "pinkman" & get (1) delicious crepe w/ chili powder
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 17:59 (twelve years ago)
Crystal Blue Huellsasion
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 18:00 (twelve years ago)
he hands out ricin cigarettes to a bunch of people he needs to kill. all light up and inhale, including walter. he then abruptly rises to go to the bathroom and kneels before the toilet, exhaling smoke into the bowl. the ghost of gus fring enters through the shower wall. "walter," he says, placing his spirit hand on his former accomplice's shoulder. "it doesn't work with smoke."
― combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 18:27 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiyDvysp1do
this, but with walt and walt jr
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 19:12 (twelve years ago)
walt jr becoming a meth hustler would be such a great way to underscore the "drugs are bad" message that has been so lacking on this show
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 19:14 (twelve years ago)
xp YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 19:14 (twelve years ago)
the episode where skinny pete is all "yo, jesse i want you to meet my new friend...flynn and jesse goes NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 19:17 (twelve years ago)
woah unintentional formatting fun there sorry
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 19:18 (twelve years ago)
the whole series is a story Walt Jr. tells his college buds, trying to convince them his dad was a meth kingpin.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 19:56 (twelve years ago)
Not that hard. All Walt Jr. has to do is record his own tearful confession. "My name is Walter Flynn Junior, I like breakfast and hanging with my friends. For the past year, I have been a meth kingpin genius, manipulating my fool parents into helping me out. By the time you see this, I will be in college, with mad respect from my dorm peers."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:05 (twelve years ago)
But why is there no hacking in this bitch? Or---is there?
― dow, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 20:11 (twelve years ago)
Many second and third line chemotherapy regimens for recurrent/progressive disease are less cytotoxic than first line regimens, based on biologics like VEGF inhibitors instead of older agents based on platinum, taxols and anthracyclines. The newer agents tend to produce significantly less GI distress, hair loss, etc, compared to what most people thing of as "chemo".
The IV infusion Walt received was being given in a typical outpatient clinical treatment center. If he's not getting chemo, he'd have to be on IVIG or some other immune modulating drug for an unrelated condition.
There's no way to get chemo by lying to a doctor, you need biopsy proven disease. If he's on chemo, his cancer is back.
So yes, his cancer is back.
― Plasmon, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:35 (twelve years ago)
there's no "is his cancer back or not" debate going on. all i did was point out that the specific details have so far only come from walt, and that this is different than how they conveyed this kind of information initially. it could mean as little as the writers wanting to avoid sypathetic scenes for walter or a lot, that walter is deceiving people with his sob story to some degree. but to pretend there is NO element of ambiguity here is as dense as saying walt is DEFINITELY lying.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:46 (twelve years ago)
Well, he's already trotted out his cancer twice as manipulation - to Hank, to Junior - so there's always the chance Walt didn't tell anyone so he could keep that arrow in his quiver. It worked for Junior for sure, thought obviously not for Hank.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:55 (twelve years ago)
exactly. currently the cancer only comes up as weapon against others, not as something that's impeding walt in any obvious way. what this means remains to be seen, and I guess you can place your over/under on it if you please, but that's not what i'm doing.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 21:58 (twelve years ago)
it doesnt only come up as a weapon against others, there was a shot of walt w an iv in his arm, in which case the show would have to be complicit in walt deception, its not just him telling people he has the cancer
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:06 (twelve years ago)
which would be pretty weak and not likely whats going on, they were prob all okay these are the shots that demonstrate that walt has cancer
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:07 (twelve years ago)
maybe he was hungover and bribed a nurse to give him a bag of saline
― mh, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:08 (twelve years ago)
they did just lead us on with walt recording his "confession" and intense discussion before we saw what it really was.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:08 (twelve years ago)
im p positive gilligan has even said in interviews and stuff, i think in the run up 2 the 1st half of this season & probably again before this 2nd batch of eps, words to the effect of we (the writers) haven't forgot abt the cancer, etc
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:09 (twelve years ago)
well who's arguing they forgot about the cancer
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:09 (twelve years ago)
did they forget about dre
― mh, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:13 (twelve years ago)
i do have a lot of respect 4 cancerous walt digging that desert money hole by himself, he tuff
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:16 (twelve years ago)
while i'd like to be able to point out details without having to make a case that it's an unquestionable clue to the grand finale, they've increasingly kept us from knowing what the hell walt's doing (The flash-forwards, the "confession" build-up), so him deceiving us as well as everyone else would be a fairly logical extension of their believe that Walt is NOT a sympathetic figure at this point.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:17 (twelve years ago)
their belief, i mean.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:18 (twelve years ago)
this is dramatic license - they showed the beginning of a confession which actually was a grand and sinister ploy.
showing him with an iv in his arm would have to be a deception given how dumb it'd be if they later concocted a story of him fooling doctors etc, i mean, this just isn't going to happen.
yes there is ambiguity about to what extent his cancer is back, and yes he is of course going to use it to his advantage however he can, but there isn't ambiguity about the sole issue of the cancer being back.
the dramatic issue with the cancer is whether that's what's going to kill him or not, another potential demise/end to the show, giving these last few eps more tension.
― Wantaway striker (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:19 (twelve years ago)
i totally agree that the IV would need a damn good explanation, but again i'm not debating whether or not "the cancer is back"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)
xp yea that is true abt the deception
i guess the neighbor lady dropping her groceries could be abt if theres a new mexico tribune expose abt walt faking cancer & making $ off it or something & shes not seen the heisenberg scrawled inside his house
keep in mind, like this wld be a horrible explanation tho
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)