Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

tho what really prob animates the level of vitriol is that the show is so good

i def disagree w anna gunns description of skylar as strong

you know you just followed "sexist trolls are harmless" with "besides the show was asking for it"

no come on

anyway good drama is usually pretty problematic and yes the internet should prob be shot into the sun

"look at the way they've got her all self-righteous, boring and bourgeois, what did they expect"

i dont think sexist trolls are harmless i just think death threats are often trotted out in a conviently decontextualized manner

now there's a slate pitch

i mean there are so many people saying things on the internet and many of them are horrible, this is the new normal, which is not to say it doesnt matter, just that it requires a little understanding

"look at the way they've got her all self-righteous, boring and bourgeois, what did they expect"

― da croupier, Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:21 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if youre going to examine the fans misogyny its seems like it might be worthwhile to ask if the show itself isnt also a lil mysoginsitic

So basically people are horrible on the internet which is really the issue here not any animus directed against Skylar or Anna Gunn?

Well done for 'contextualising' the death threats an actress received better than she could!

seriously, lagoon, slate would be down for an "anna gunn doesn't get online death threats/how much the show asks for a misogynistic reaction" piece. you gotta write this up.

now you are totally willfully mischaracterizing what im saying and im going to kill u

xxxp I don't think it's terribly worthwhile asking that when the response is so clearly well beyond anything the show has done consciously or not.

Well done for 'contextualising' the death threats an actress received better than she could!

― kinder, Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:27 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and fwiw she afaik didnt receive any death threats, which would be much more serious, you are are horrible sloppy internet characters, prob bots

fwiw afaik is right

do you have some inside info youd like to share

anyone in the world couldve received death threats fwiw afaik

'if the troll is putting a defensive "fwiw" in front of their challops, you can assume relative harmlessness, a lack of hostility.' put that in the slate piece.

maybe you shd write the slate piece

why? i don't want to defend sexist trolls

well im sure you could think up some other variety of trolling to defend

i think my take on trolling would be more appropriate for the next season of dexter

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx6q6xFlB81r6alqeo1_250.gif

feel like every time a thread goes south we should have DJP start up another round of AMANDA and get us recalibrated

btw i feel no shame for this delightful stand-off in the desert, better use of time than rating how hot the characters are imo

Wha happen

lagoon eye rolled at anna gunn's whining about trolls, and a few people scoffed back, which interrupted the whole "i give hank a 6" discussion

thank christ it's Sunday

lol veg

so how do you guys think the shows gonna end

it's not.

with Jesse reading a Slate piece to cellmate at prison library.

hahah

lag∞n remember when you were smart and said smart things a couple years back? do that schtick again it was righteous

we all have our off days

oh god

lagoon was yr point just 'there is a difference between a death threat directly made to an individual and someone commenting ugh someone kill skyler already on youtube/some messageboard/to the person sitting next to them while they watch breaking bad' or were you actually making the 'get over it' argument attributed to you here? not that ugh someone kill sklyer already isn't problematic or whatever, the same trend popped up w/ carmela soprano and is (or probably was now) most pronounced w/ betty draper. i don't recall it (and bullock on deadwood was a decidedly different character than tony/walt/don) but i could imagine there were ppl who thought the same about anna gunn's character on deadwood though really there wasn't anything approaching a 'shrill nag' on that show. the wire probably too unfocused on one central character/hero for it to happen there - daniel's wife a possibility, mcnulty's ex another but neither male character antihero badass enough to serve as a fantasy figure for reddit types (though mcnulty's pretty close) and neither killjoy woman ever focused on long enough to get sustained hate. have always assumed that a huge percentage of hate directed at skyler et al was just losers channeling their hate toward their mother, wife, whatever woman is holding them back from being the badass they know they are inside.

It's going to end back in high school, with a chemistry teacher fired due to budget cuts. He's heading to his car with his trunk of stuff, and Todd sidles up to him. "Hey, man ..."

Either that or Walt is posthumously awarded the Nobel Prize.

Can't imagine Gunn got hate for her Deadwood character. That was a far more complex relationship, more interesting. it was two people learning to love and appreciate one another in a weird situation, if I recall correctly, and Bullock was doing the honorable/dutiful thing, which was very much in character for him. No? Been a while.

i was def not making a get over it argument fwiw xp

if you were I could point you to the Eagles listening threas

*thread

why? i don't want to defend sexist trolls

come on the breaking bad writers aren't that bad

i keep thinking back to last week's ep -> walt doesn't trust skyler now, does he? and walt told saul that they couldn't send hank to belize because he's family - the line walt won't cross is harming anyone in his own family - but I wonder if they're setting that up for him to do something even more terrible, that the audience really thought he wouldn't

what always bothered me about the writing re: skyler was the moments that aren't all the most important to the plot but come across as excessively awkward/humiliating for her. it seems believable to me that she'd buy her son a car that was more safe than cool, but picking just about the worst vehicle possible (pt cruiser? in purple, was it?).. i dunno. and the singing happy birthday to beneke -> seriously? as intelligent as she is, in a professional workplace? no way.

i think in all of these shows we're with the male leads so constantly that we are privy to their inner turmoil and see them for the "genuinely good guys" that they view themselves to be (even though they're really not.) so being privy to walt's desire to leave his family a few bucks and being privy to don draper's traumatic childhood memories and the fact that despite his philandering he'd have liked to have held onto betty (from what we can gather to some extent), when skylar and betty get ice cold and start calling them on their shit and fucking around on them, there's a natural tendency to feel defensive about the male characters' true nature and intentions, DESPITE the fact that they're both colossally fucked up sociopaths. a lot of this probably has to do with the male fantasy fulfillment that both characters are blazing their way through (walt has become a gangster badass who uses his INTELLECT to outmaneuver his enemies and is the best at what he does in a competitive environment, draper is this office pimp who is the best at what he does in a competitive environment) as well as the fact that betty and skylar aren't given the same backstories and the same endless scenes of inner struggle. so skylar's nagging and "concerned wife" thing and her ted beneke affair, as well as betty's nagging and general issues and "henry francis as plan B" feels shallow in comparison (we shouldn't even get started on megan draper.) this is a weakness in the characters to some extent, but then again a lot of viewers simply don't like female characters as much as male characters, to the point where it amazes me when viewers will wish death upon female characters for simply being "annoying."

singing happy birthday to beneke

Oh god I had forgotten about this, I'm with you guys, Skryllex is the worst

this is a really good piece re the whole phenomenon http://the-toast.net/2013/08/22/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-troubled-male-antihero

His wife greeted him as he came into the kitchen. That bitch.

“You crossed a moral event horizon recently that I didn’t think you would ever cross, despite all evidence to the contrary,” she sobbed like some kind of fucking pussy. Her makeup was all smeared, like a total bitch.