American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

I'm not sure anyone really knows how it works Goole but a lot of people sure have opinions about it.

The moral imperative has always been the strongest selling point of ACA to me; actually I think connecting the fiscal imperative is what got Obama into the most trouble politically. It just doesn't make sense to most people that more healthcare goodies for more millions of people will somehow result in less expensive healthcare. The reality is that our government (and virtually all large private organizations) has had a really hard time making accurate long range or even wide range projections, and an even harder time with implementations. As you note, big changes don't come quickly and as I note, the unintended consequences can be hurtful (especially in the short term.)

I always knew my healthcare costs would go up with ACA so I'm not expecting a carve out. I just wish our leaders would be honest in telling the country what a long, hard, expensive...and morally worthwhile initiative it would be.

Matt's ongoing "fuck you, ACA is awesome" condescension toward a guy who's kid needed invasive surgery is so fuckin' gross. I know a great party for you, Matt - the Republican party. You'll be lauded for your ability to turn a blind eye to actual human costs there.

the cost being discussed is paying more for better insurance, wtf are you talking about

My kid is fine and I'm one of the lucky ones because on that particular issue, I didn't have to fight the insurance company at all over the $70k in bills. I was surprised at that. Then again, they were fuckfaces about rehab...

Paying more--someone paying more, anyway--for better insurance sounds like a good idea. That's certainly what I'm expecting.

My partner has had 4 invasive surgeries and 10 extended hospital stays in the past 6 years, and she also will soon be able to buy insurance for the first time in her life, so I know a little bit about the costs of the American health care system. And that's why I like the ACA and don't think Don having to buy better insurance is anything to cry about. Sorry if I was "gross" about it.

My wife's health is a complete nightmare and the ACA is going to allow her to have (hopefully) something resembling insurance and ideally, something that will never get dropped. That's a huge benefit for me, so I feel you on that one Matt. I'm dubious but hopeful that 2014 will be a good year for us in that regard; if my outlay doubles under the ACA but my wife is healthy (and I'm not bankrupt) then I'm sure it will seem worth it.

Having to pay 13k a year in healthcare costs is the original sin here

And really, I don't think it's too shocking or even abhorrent for Obama not to stress that some will be hurt in the short term considering we live in a country where there's a significant-enough portion of the population who view healthcare as a privilege and not a right. It'd be great if we lived in a country where a politician could be honest about the downsides and the benefits, but this is America.

best lawsuit ever?
http://volokh.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FitchvRepublicanParty.pdf

Does 1-150,000,000

Phyllis Schlafly: yes, it IS about voter suppression.

Holy shit, fuck this 'bomb Syria' drumbeat.

John Kerry "killing innocent bystanders" soundbite... What a fucking monster.

has no idea Phyllis was still alive

xxp

there's a thread about syria btw

Chris Christie's 2016 tightrope walk

I'm never gonna be able to read a headline about this guy without thinking about his weight, am I?

The Civil Rights movement is “intellectually bankrupt,” Charles Krauthammer charged Monday night.

During his regular appearance on the panel segment of Special Report, Krauthammer argued that the movement is subsisting on the nostalgia from fifty years ago when it battles voter ID laws.

“Is the biggest issue in African-American life today the voter ID law? Is that going to alter the course of society in black America, the inner cities? The terrible standard in the schools? The breakdown of the family and all that?” Krauthammer asked.

“It’s nostalgia of a movement that’s intellectually bankrupt,” he said, and predicted that the voter ID laws the movement is challenging will stand up in court.

"Do you know what would help black America and its poverty and its schools and its broken homes? DISENFRANCHISEMENT. It's a fact."

Where do you vote against the breakdown of the family?

church

the breakdown of the family and all that

to an extent

lol @ use of "inner cities"

Krauthammer is such a clown

a clown who cheerfully strangles kittens

that "nostalgia" line comes from the same desperately frustrated place as that training video target shows you where they're like "unions have made many important contributions to our nation's history. but those battles are over."

except with extra hostility cuz yknow racism

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/27/another-day-another-sign-that-larry-summers-will-get-the-fed-job/

ugh

yeah for once i wish the republicans were being proactively obstructionist

fuckin nast yo

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/scribble/5713/bc9021a7a1d25627178bffcd164963d497995ae1/

(link good for like a day i guess)

jesus the description of her show

Mitch McConnell speaking glowingly of MLK at US Capitol March on Washington anniversary event, on Cspan. Uh ok.

Now Boehner. Politicians

really running their left huh

they must realize he'd be protesting Obama if he was alive, eh

Now John Lewis

One speaker at the March just said King would not want to go war in Syria

Bill O'Reilly said yesterday evening that King would not like gangsta rap.

King would also not like Bill O'Reilly nor his plans for falafel usage.

a homeless person i saw yesterday told me he was King of the world

Peter Yarrow and Paul Stookey had Trayvon Martin's parents onstage with them singing "Blowin' in the Wind." I am sure Rush and O'Reilly will have fun with that

@TPM Obama: Martin Luther King would like Obamacare bit.ly/1aPxuIK

Mr. Bush was invited to attend the event, but he declined because he recently underwent surgery to place a stent in a blocked heart artery.

Wall Street Journal and some online commenters are obsessed with the absence of Republican speakers at the March. McConnell just spoke at the US Capitol event.

Obama talking now

Man, I hope he chooses right now to launch his secretly-planned race war.

did he read MLK's FBI file as part of the most transparent Admin ever?

death penalty for nidal hasan

Hardly shocking

I don't totally understand why there's even a trial - he wants to the death penalty, the military wants to give it to him... what's the problem?

The system isnt Burger King, bro.

Actually...