Shall we anticipate the FIFTH SEASON of the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

no kidding, he immediately jumped to "oh, you poor baby" and figured since Walt is nothing other than a monster to him now, obviously that's her take too

at least Marie had the agency to ask the strong questions and be offended that Skylar knew and was involved. shit never even occurred to Hank that she could be a player or had any of her own free will

yup, otm

perhaps important to remember that cops are trained to divide all non-cops into two categories: victim or criminal

yeah, family member is a distant third there

i'm glad someone here pointed out that once Skyler realized that Walt was going to die again, it completely changed the dynamic - definitely otm, waiting for him to die is once again her best move

hank seemed like he was almost offering to walk skrim through minimizing the appearance of her role in the conspiracy, but he couldnt quite get it out cause he was discomobulated

I've been trying to figure out how to describe his recent emotional distress, seems kind of like an extreme anxiety punctuated by rage

i think the hole digging fits with the often comic-booky or western tone of the show. i like that they go with stuff like that, suspension of disbelief be damned.

but stuff like secret underground labs and exploding chemistry tricks are at least comic-booky in a FUN way. the idea that WW could dig a hole the size of a cargo van in the rocky, sun-baked desert dirt is just silly.

walt = wile e coyote

then it makes sense

lol

he should have just set the barrels there and painted them to look like rocks + cactuses

he shouldve just moved them to a different storage space

or like six different storage spaces

sure... but that would've been really boring

he shouldve just replaced his bed w the money

yeah, keeping it all in one spot is really dumb too

they should just pay Saul's two employees to drive the van around 24/7 in alternating 12 hour shifts

disguised as a google maps van? he should just move it around between the termite houses.

the chemo is making him stronger, walt is godzilla

he is a monster

walt is not the villain in this show and i dont really think that is the show's intention

the villain is meth iirc

see i thought Hank's litany of Walt's misdeeds felt a little intentionally instructive--as if there needed to be a reminder of Walt's crimes in some objective voice or whatever. i mean, if Walt's not a "villain" in the moralistic world that Gilligan said he wanted to create for the show, then what is he?

he's a pretty classic anti-hero

it would be more interesting if he was the villain!

then who would the hero be? hank? make it another cop show? naw. it's more interesting that he's NOT.

sure, maybe you're right. i think that Walt's status as anti-hero is less due to any conflicted or muddled being of the character than the narrative propulsion that makes the audience identify with him.

in another respect, though, there are certain elements that cast his motivations in classic villain style, like Iago or characters like that. I mean, Iago gets a lot of lines, the most in the play, but he's no anti-hero.

yeah but the play isnt called iago

neither is the show called Breaking Not-Good

Breaking Bard

breaking bad(ish) guy

fixing bad

Warning: If youre not interested in trivia from writers/directors etc dont bother reading below. god/devil is in the details etc etc

Tidbits from gilligan, cranston, michelle maclaren and peter gould on last weeks breaking bad insider podcast on 509:

1. peter gould wrote the episode and had already written the teaser which had the kids skating in the pool and the white house completely demolished. Like, not there at all. Originally, future Walt was visiting just to reminisce but they finally decided the scene needed a button so in came the ricin and back came the house.
2. the pool is actually one of those fiberglass shell pools, not concrete, so they assumed the skaters would probably crack it and they'd have to buy a new pool for the house owners but the pool ended up unscathed.
3. When Walt looks out the back sliding glass door at the skaters, the guy with the camera is actually a crew member from the camera dept.
4. Carol's garden is totes CGI. Cranston directed this episode and wanted the stark diff between the white house and a normal persons house in the teaser. They only had the destroyed whitehouse for a week or whatever before it was restored and because cranston wanted it in carol's shot he had to move her out of the garden and on to the lawn hence post-pro cgi garden. FAKE ROSES.
5. There was no dialogue in the first Carol scene in the script. The character wasn't even named. Cranston came up with the 'Hello, Carol' while filming.
6. The hank looking at evidence montage was supposed to end with the methylamine heist video confirming for him it is walt but they went with the St Muerte pic because he had never seen walt in the drawing and then pow perspective change. Also hank is wearing a delbert mcclinton t-shirt lol
7. Badger's star trek idea was an idea gilligan actually pitched for a star trek episode.

im only 25 minutes in so thats it.

FAKE ROSES

http://31.media.tumblr.com/623f8b796466615086a91f4f46d03758/tumblr_mri6fi6yNt1riri0ao1_500.jpg

they should just pay Saul's two employees to drive the van around 24/7 in alternating 12 hour shifts

― carlos danger zone (mh), Monday, August 19, 2013 4:20 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pp and i lolled at the look between kuby and huell when walt checked the money in the van then said 'close enough'.

lol xp

has everybody already seen this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWrRPohom3I&feature=player_embedded

from an aaron paul interview on the amc blog:

Q: Jesse is legendary for his use of the word “bitch.” What are some of your other favorite Jesse-isms?

A: Anytime he says, “Bitch!” it really just brings a smile to my face. The famous “Roll me further bitch!” or, “This is my own private domicile, bitch.” There’s so many. And all the bitches were scripted. There’s definitely lots of “bitches” in the final eight. I think my favorite “bitch” of all time is happening in the final eight episodes.

ULTIMATE 'BITCH!' YET TO COME!!!!

I think BB has pulled the same thing Hitchcock did in Psycho; make the villain into the protagonist, then play the audience so they don't want him get caught. In stories like these, there's a strong allure for the viewer to want to see someone getting away with murder; it's partly because their transgression is given a justification you can kinda identify with (Norman Bates is trying to protect his mother; Walt wants to break free of his miserable hamster wheel existence), and partly because the protagonist getting caught means the story's over, there's no more thrills, and who would want that?

As for how they writers gonna break out of this and make the audience see Walt as the villain he objectively is, so he doesn't die as a "folk hero"...? I'd say the only surefire way is to make him kill another main character the audience roots for, most likely Jesse or Hank.

I hope something cool happens with Flynn at some point.

turns out Flynn is actually cooking meth with Walt Jr

I liked the song when Walt was digging the impossible hole.

turns out Flynn is actually cooking meth with Walt Jr

Wait so they're different people hmmmmmm

walt/heisenberg
walt jr/flynn

hmmmmmmm

flynn is keyser soze

isnt it one of the great things about this show that noone is a true hero and noone is a true villian? like, you know, real life? xposts

im always completely charmed by how polite todd is and then i remember hes a fucking psycho

but so sweet!

I often wonder if this show can pull off the task it seems to set for itself--in terms of making Walt the villain and really turning the audience against him rather than just get us to intellectually agree he is immoral or whatever--since (if indeed that is what they are trying to do) that would set them against pretty powerful narrative forces and a charismatic performance. I think even now ("tread lightly") there's an illicit thrill in Walt's gangsterisms that sorta renders the moralism of the show moot.

― ryan, Monday, August 19, 2013 4:17 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it seems like most people hate walt now though... or at least find him hard to root for, even if they're not rooting against him. once he turned into gus he became too steely and smug to get much of a kick out of (except for "i used to love to go camping" which was mad funny). though i like tuomas' point about not wanting the show to end = you're rooting for walt in a way

its also funny that lagoon was talking about "fear of art" upthread but all his posts now are pedantic complaining about characters not being rational actors