Americanisms that will never, ever cross over into the UK

"Paris, France", "London, England", The London Times. Mind you, the British Open has taken off... it should just be called The Open.

In the company where I work, which is American, we have to give the name of the country after every city we name, unless it's in the U.S. But London is in Great Britain, not England (I don't know why).

http://qntm.org/files/uk/uk.gif

"what's up" is an exact, though not literal, translation of "que pasa"

"Darn Tooting"

http://www.cowfish.org.uk/tubestations/Tooting%20Broadway.jpg

(xxp) Ireland's not in the British Isles tho?

Are you mad?

Well, it's not, it's not British

Or "British", if you prefer

Geographical not political sense.

Even then?

Ha, Curtis, I was looking at the charts for the summer of 1993 the other day, and in one week, "What's Up" by 4 Non-Blondes was directly ahead of "What's Up Doc (Can We Rock?)" by Fu-Schnickens.

wiki says ireland is in the british isles but that sounds fucked up to me.

If you wanna come up with another term to handily describe that bunch of islands situated just to the north of France, go ahead.

Those two big islands hanging off Europe are called the British isles. This is a geographical expression. The one island that is called Britain contains Scotland, England and Wales. Even if Scotland becomes independent or whatever it will still be in Britain. I thought everyone knew this?

The British Isles and Ireland

So would your definition of the British Isles be just Great Britain, Scottish Hebrides, Isles of Man/Wight, Anglesey, Scilly etc? I always thought it included Ireland.

xposts

Oh, that surprises me for some reason. A) it's an island, and B) it's a...for lack of a better word a "holding" of Great Britain. WAIT Wikipedia thinks that the Republic of Ireland is NOT part of the United Kingdom...? Oh, I sort of see in XPosting.

WAIT Wikipedia thinks that the Republic of Ireland is NOT part of the United Kingdom...?

Well obv. it isn't!!!!

presumably 'britain' was the roman designation for the lands it conquered so it's not all that geographical...

waht? course ireland is included in the term "british isles"

it's not a holding of great britain... but great britain is not a political entity...

I think he's playing you, dog

xpost to col. poo

Apparently, he wasn't!

Ireland hasn't been a part of the United Kingdom since 1922.

If they included it they'd just have to call it "Ok Britain"

burn on Ireland!

waht? course ireland is included in the term "british isles"

You try telling the Irish that

Okay, now I'm just confused.

The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland where its use is objected to by many people and by the government of the Republic of Ireland. Its use is also avoided in relations between the governments of the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, who generally employ the euphemism these islands.

The diagram above explains it except, I would argue, for the British Isles bit (xpost)

Hey, we let them name the sea between the islands!

Then filled it full of nuclear waste! Or something.

Yes but you got the English Channel (xp)

Let's just call it all "Li'l Canada!"

incl. exclamation point

http://www.beckysweb.co.uk/images/venn.gif

So Northern Ireland, the England/Scotland/Wales landmass, and all the er Western Isles are the United Kingdom, officially; the term "Great Britian" has no official significance; and the southern 5/6ths of the island of Ireland is a sovereign state (are "state" and "nation" interchangeable here?)...?

That sounds about right to me, yes.

We cna also rename Canada as "Grampa (sic) Britain" so that you don't feel like you need to identify as similar to us beer-swigging 'nucks.

stupid square brackets on sic :(

Yes. I thought everyone knew that! "the England/Scotland/Wales landmass, and all the er Western Isles etc" IS Great Britain!

No, sorry" "the England/Scotland/Wales landmass" IS Great Britain!

Add Western Isles etc = British Isles

So Ireland just got a free pass not to be? Because they're the only conquered people ever? I mean, not that I disagree but it seems a relatively arbitrary distinction.

Not to be what?

Not to be part of Great Britain.

Or the United Kingdom, for that matter?

wikipedia: Politically, "Great Britain" describes the combination of England, Scotland, and Wales. It also includes the former Celtic nation of Cornwall, and a number of outlying islands such as the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, the Isles of Scilly, the Hebrides, and the island groups of Orkney and Shetland, but does not include the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.

Great Britain is an island (Scotland/ England etc). Ireland is another island!

GB (geographical) = teh one big island, GB (political) = that and all the other little islands. Says wikipedia.

"British Isles" is an Americanism that will never, ever cross over into the UK

right, xp

Can anyone suggest who to refer to the archipelago just above France without using the term British isles?