Katrina's aftermath

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It will somewhat, but it will more likely force people to budget their holiday season shopping and general leisure budgets instead.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

Kids are gonna be buildin' LOTS of character this Xmas.

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

i'm buying a bicycle

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

while this is hardly the most important issue at hand right now, Bush be gettin' suckerpunched in the ratings by Katrina, most likely

donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

Is it so simple for Louisiana to just raise the money to make up for a vanishing federal money? Is it really that simple? Isn't Louisiana a particuarly poor state?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.capm10208301856.bush__capm102.jpg

Nero fiddled while Rome burned,
Bush strummed a C chord while New Orleans sank

If only we had an organization like the Army Corps of Engineers and National Guard to help out, but they are all over in Iraq looking for, Osama Bin Ladin, er, I mean weapons of mass destruction, er, I mean bringing freedom to the men and women of Iraq, er, I mean just the men of Iraq, except of course the Sunnis. who are pissed off about the constitution and will plunge the country into chaos..... never mind.....

nero, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

I just woke up watching the today show, where some woman was introducing a segment for later called "New Orleans: The new Pompeii?"

JD from CDepot, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

100 miles of a coastline, 75 miles of a major faultline, 50 miles of a major river, or in any region affected by seasonal violent meteorology - unless 'thunderstorms in the summer' counts this is atlanta basically right? dallas too maybe (not sure about the river sit there)? any other big cities?
Charleston recovered quite nicely from Hugo in the span of eight years -- and they're on a river next to a harbour leading to the ocean and there's a faultline 15 miles to the west of the city that caused a 6.6-7.6 earthquake in 1886. Plus, there are spots in the city that are nearly a foot below sea level.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

Morning all. It's a slow grind down at present -- here's the word from the WWL blog:

7:49 A.M. - Governor Blanco: Four Navy ships headed to New Orleans with food and water.
7:38 A.M. - CNN report...another attempt will be made to sandbag the 17th Street Canal.
7:24 A.M. - Slidell Mayor Ben Morris: Electricity is six to 12 weeks away.
7:06 A.M. - Governor Blanco wants the Superdome evacuated within two days.
6:57 A.M. - Governor Blanco: "Absolutely necessary" that the Army Corps of Engineers drop sandbags into the levee breach.
6:50 A.M. - Sen. Landrieu: The whole parish of St. Bernard is gone.
6:27 A.M. - (AP) Conditions in New Orleans hospitals deteriorate. Click for story.
6:22 A.M. - (AP) No time to count the dead as rescue efforts Click for story.
6:20 A.M. - Governor Blanco: Estimated 20,000 people in dome and they will be dispersed around the state to rescue centers being set up. Situation 'unteneable' in Superdome.
6:13 A.M. - Governor Blanco: Essential personnel will stay in city, but general public needs to go. Logistical nightmare to bring in food and water.
6:11 A.M. - Governor Blanco: We have found places around the state to house the refugees, we just need to get them out.
6:10 A.M. - (AP) -- Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman says the Bush administration will release oil from petroleum reserves to help refiners affected by Hurricane Katrina.
5:55 A.M. GOVERNOR BLANCO: Stopping the looting is important, but saving lives a higher priority right now. Not sure where looters think they are taking the stuff since city may soon be under water.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

The Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories - boats the agency uses to house its own employees.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

If NO evacuations were ordered in Mississippi, there's got to be some kind of negligence case made against state officials, yes? ...preferably manslaughter, but we don't live in that world, do we?

Barbour comparing it to Hiroshima, despite the cataclysmic scale of this, is kind of disgusting.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

I live in Miami, where my parents just got power back yesterday afternoon. Life still has not returned to normal, and we got off fuckin' lucky. I just can't believe that we got hit by a borderline Category One and it's caused this much inconvenience.

Hurricane Andrew first brought to national attention the damage and power a hurricane can do. Maybe it took Katrina to remind the state and federal governments that infrastructures and utilities as they stand now cannot withstand even a minimal hurricane.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

hurricane andrew was the first and only time i'd ever seen that kind of weather-related devastation in person. right after it happened, my parents and i were in florida and we drove through the worst parts of it -- in fact, our car broke down in homestead and it took us forever to find the one mechanic in the area who was open for business (and he wasn't, really).

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

breaking news: everyone in the superdome is being moved to houston! they're housing them in the ... wait for it ... astrodome.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

did anyone see that guy from Biloxi that lost his wife...had to let go of her hand as she said, "Take care of the kids"....I swear to god that was the most heartbreaking thing I've seen on TV....he just kept saying "I've got nothing, I've got nothing..."

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

>breaking news: everyone in the superdome is being moved to houston! they're housing them in the ... wait for it ... astrodome.<

Its not like its being used for anything else right now. Besides, it actually has power and water.

Anyone following the Interdictor and his cam on LJ, btw? Dude is obviously a survival nut getting his wet dream for the world to see, but its pretty interesting nonetheless. It sounds very boring, but I just watched water start moving into his region of the city (St. Charles?) and begin to pool.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) cnn kept replaying that and replaying that ad nauseam. i felt terrible for the guy, but fuck cnn for exploiting his situation.

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

aside: daryn kagan is sort of hot.

http://www.tv-heads.com/networkpages/darynkagan.jpg

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Gregory Peck died? again?

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

at this hour!

stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

hmm

Results 1 - 10 of about 19,000 for gregory peck zombie. (0.27 seconds)

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Anyone following the Interdictor and his cam on LJ, btw?

I've seen his posts. He IS nuts and I have to wonder what the hell he's going to do when he's finally told to leave. Expect all sorts of whining.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

on Good Morning America the mayor of NO and the governor of LA both seem resigned to the fact that the entire city is going to flood.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

9:31 A.M. - WWL-TV: UNO campus surrounded by water.

9:30 A.M. - WWL-TV: Lakefront Airport is totally submerged.

9:22 A.M. - (AP) Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods today, prompting authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

(I really really REALLY friggin hope Fetchboy and his grandpa are out of there by now.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

>I've seen his posts. He IS nuts and I have to wonder what the hell he's going to do when he's finally told to leave. Expect all sorts of whining.<

My feeling is that he's staying no matter what. He seemed dead set on not being noticed by patrols yesterday. He's completely mad. I feet bad for his girlfriend.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

did anyone see that guy from Biloxi that lost his wife...had to let go of her hand as she said, "Take care of the kids"....I swear to god that was the most heartbreaking thing I've seen on TV....he just kept saying "I've got nothing, I've got nothing..."

i read his quotes in the paper this morning, and even that broke my heart. she said something like: "you can't hold me for ever" ... it is indescribably sad.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

yeah i saw that last night on the news. the reporter was crying.

Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Anyone following the Interdictor and his cam on LJ, btw?
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I've seen his posts. He IS nuts and I have to wonder what the hell he's going to do when he's finally told to leave. Expect all sorts of whining.

I picture him using that knife in his icon on anyone who would dare interrupt his struggle for survival.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

How long until the first miracle baby is found?

The Original Jimmy Mod: Waiting for the return of the Lohan's titties (The Famo, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

(to be clear, by "interrupt his struggle for survival" I mean "knock some sense into his head and suggest he, ummm, evacuate")

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

The Interdictor has spoken! From an hour or so ago:

If you're on the cam, you've got a special treat: you're watching the flood progress (hasn't moved in 24 hours) and the looting of a hotel.

We're seriously considering trying to restore some order to this city since the government has totally given up (and probably couldn't do anything anyway). The police have been looting according to reports, and the honest ones are under siege at their precincts as automatic gunfire was unloaded at one near the Quarter.

I know it's dangerous, but I've got some experience with Foreign Internal Defense, and if there's a chance of slowing down this Planet of the Apes deterioration, someone's got to take the first step. I mean, it's Lord of the Flies out there right now. There's no order at all. No respect for private property, no respect for life.

The situation has got to be desperate for a lot of people sweltering in the heat with no food and water, no place to crap, no clean clothes, no place to sleep.

Hm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

For those who know the Mississippi Coast, here's a partial list of what has now been confirmed as destroyed by Katrina.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, here's today's Times-Picayune in full.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Grimness in the Superdome -- this from a reader who wrote to nola.com and got this on their blog:

This story is not about me but 15 members of my family who now call the Superdome home.

I was awakened a couple of hours ago by a very disturbing phone call regarding the fate of some of the rugeees who followed the mayor's advice to seek shelter at the dome as a last resort.

The media has laid it all out for us: no plumbing,no power, and recent reports of criminal activity. From a family menmber I was told that a young girl had been assaulted and the death of a man from apparent suicide.

My sister said they did not eat Tuesday because all their rations and food supply
had run out.

The one thing she seemed distraught about was the lack of political presence.
They want to know that the very people who were elected by them care enough to be among them during this horrific ordeal. I was also asked to call the radio station to get the word to the officials about the dire straits the evacuees are in. They fear for their well being and safety of themselves and the children in their care.

Let the media in for all the world to see the situation as it really is. If the officials are ashamed then maybe they should be among their people at the Superdome.

I did return a call a call to let her know that the Navy is sending ships with necessary supplies. They are leaving Norfolk, Virginia, this morning
according to CNN but no word on when they are expected to arrive.
Please share this story with the only radio station still on the air as they are hoping against hope someone, somewhere will hear them out and give them a glimmer of hope.

Bless you all in the Crescent City.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

It sounds bad, but honestly, those people in the Superdome need to start going out into the city and join the mob if they still can, because its their only chance of getting food.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Er.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah, because they all have BOATS

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

They were all using the Superdome as a dock where they would have cocktails.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Interestingly, on the morning news one of the reporters in NO said that police officers were admitting people to a convenience store for to procure water & food. Why do I have a feeling these are the "looting" police referred to by Interdictor?

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/katrina/pdf/083105/a5.pdf

There's your New Orleans police, protecting the people. Look, you had to know this was going to happen.

And I said "if they can". Look, they might starve, die of dehydration, or end up with typhoid. You got any better ideas how to eat or drink?

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

If only we had an organization like the Army Corps of Engineers and National Guard to help out, but they are all over in Iraq looking for, Osama Bin Ladin, er, I mean weapons of mass destruction, er, I mean bringing freedom to the men and women of Iraq, er, I mean just the men of Iraq, except of course the Sunnis. who are pissed off about the constitution and will plunge the country into chaos..... never mind.....

-- nero (abc12...), August 31st, 2005.

Can anyone actually cite a source that says our ability to respond was somehow diminished by having troops in Iraq? If it's true, it makes me angry, but so far I've only seen speculation.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Heard on the news this morning that the water level in the lake is now actually lower than in the city, but for some technical reason the crews still have to patch that 100-yard break in the levee before they can get the nearby pumps working. They might punch holes in other sections of the levee to let water out, but such drainage would be a slow process, so most of the work needs to be done by pumps.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Reading the stories on the NOLA link Ned posted it's the aftermath which looks like being the killer. I thought the scenes of civil breakdown in 'War of the Worlds' was bad but this looks like an altogether more lethal ballgame.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

On a lighter note - the other day I heard the song "I'm Walkin on Sunshine" on the radio, and I was thinking, "Man, I fuckin' HATE this song! It sounds like a commercial jingle!"

Just now I put "Katrina" into Google, and guess what one of the first things that comes up is:

http://www.katw.com/

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone actually cite a source that says our ability to respond was somehow diminished by having troops in Iraq?

it's apparently more an issue of equipment than troops. the helicopters are over there, for one thing.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

August 1, 2005, 9:07 PM CDT

JACKSON BARRACKS -- When members of the Louisiana National Guard left for Iraq in October, they took a lot equipment with them. Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad, and in the event of a major natural disaster that, could be a problem.

"The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," said Lt. Colonel Pete Schneider with the LA National Guard.

Col. Schneider says the state has enough equipment to get by, and if Louisiana were to get hit by a major hurricane, the neighboring states of Mississippi, Alabama and Florida have all agreed to help.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

So, again, can anyone cite a current article saying that the Nat'l Guard actually doesn't have enough equipment and/or troops?

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I don't think anyone knows yet exactly how much equipment/how many troops are even needed, but this gives a good idea of some of the hurdles faced due to current deployment levels:

http://www.ww4report.com/node/1016

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

11:46 A.M. - WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal emergency officials are looking for two-thousand Homeland Security Department workers to volunteer for hurricane relief efforts. The head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency has told Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff a-thousand people are needed within 48 hours and two-thousand within a week.

11:40 - (AP) Roving bands of looters are breaking into stores in Carrollton area to get food and supplies. They've also stolen guns and armed themselves.

11:33 A.M. - Director Walter Maestri: We have no food or water for the evacuees. Says emergency workers have seized the food and water and drinks from Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and other groceries for evacuees, but he said that is all gone. Says water supply is gone. More water expected, but its not there right now. Says evacuees are getting upset and harried.

11:32 A.M. - Director Walter Maestri: FEMA and national agencies not delivering the help nearly as fast as it is needed.

11:30 A.M. - Emergency Operations Director Walter Maestri: Evacuees from New Orleans and the east bank of Jefferson are flocking to the west bank, overwhelming the facilities.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)


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