2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

OK, so Clinton wins by Ohio by, say, 60%. What's the difference between her delegate win and Obama's delegate win?

26 to 28 delegates?

So basically this undid the "mighty" Washington caucus win for Obama in delegate counts. *shrug*.

OMINOUS WARNINGS.

And as I've noted repeatedly, there are some negatives out there that most of you don't even know about - but everyone in Washington knows about them, in detail.

JPGs or it's not true

If Hillary wins the nomination I'm probably just going to vote for Nader or some stupid shit. I don't have a hard on for Obama or anything, but how Hillary's conducted herself this campaign is such a turn-off.

in texas, denton at 0%, Dallas at 54%, and harris (houston) only at 14% reporting giving obama some chance of getting even with hillary

What is Denton?

in texas, denton at 0%, Dallas at 54%, and harris (houston) only at 14% reporting giving obama some chance of getting even with hillary

El Paso is only at 12%. I predict Senator Clinton +4%.

university of north texas, dallas

xp to rev

yeah, looking like 2-4% margin for her

TO PENNSYLVANIA

if the early voting tallies, the demographics, the polling trends, and the republican support are anything to go by, i'd say her chances of winning texas are slim. yall can tar and faether me jhoshea-pats style if i'm wrong.

-- m bison, Monday, March 3, 2008

Can we upgrade the punishment to pitchcapping?

So is this shit seriously going to destroy the Democrats' chances in the ge, or am I overreacting?

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It's going to hurt badly.

Hillary's obsession for power is both destroying her chances, and Obama's chances by doing the Republican's job of smearing him. Pathetic.

can someone explain to me (with some kind of figures) why hillary seems to be the one (at least on this thread) being accused of hurting the democrats by staying in, and not obama? is obama far enough ahead of her (by any measure) to label him the presumptive nominee, or are people saying that hillary is hurting the dems cause they dont like her?

Hillary only wants to win the nomination because she is evil, you see, whereas the other candidates should be given credit for their high intentions

If races continue to split down the middle and no one picks up any significant net gains, by the current count Obama should come through with the most. This is reasonably plausible.

i guess i could go read everything i missed in the past couple weeks but fuck it

daria otm

i half-heartedly made the argument that hillary is hurting the democrats by staying in to a friend and he got real pissed, and i realized i didnt have a reason in particular to believe that hillary should drop out over obama other than that i like obama

I look forward to the pundits' rending of garments with nausea and hopelessness.

I think the math that Hillary can't win on pledged delegates is pretty reliable.

excuse me, "blog math"

where might i find some of this blog math

fuck a david axelrod, by the way. i think i'm going to go back to not reading the thread now. burn the witch!

it's 3am, what blog do you trust?

http://bangbus.blog.com/

I've said this before, but there's more evidence tonight: this Democratic primary has been all about who can take advantage of umbrage. Whichever candidate looks like they've been wronged last wins. First, HRC is perceived as unfairly positioning herself as the "inevitable nominee," so Obama wins Iowa. Next, the media (and Obama/Edwards) is perceived to be ganging up on HRC and acting like sexist pigs, so she wins N.H. Next, the Clintons are perceived to be playing on racial stereotypes, so Obama wins South Carolina. Next, Obama is perceived to be the "inevitable candidate," and HRC claims the media favors him over her, so HRC wins Ohio and probably Texas.

Obv., that's oversimplifying things dramatically, but it feels that way to me tonight. What a way to choose a nominee. Meanwhile, the Red Meat party is patiently waiting on the side of the road to pounce on whatever's left of the Democratic nominee after this primary is over.

gonna be a long summer

http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

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So is this shit seriously going to destroy the Democrats' chances in the ge, or am I overreacting?

No, you've pretty much got it.

dang, well at least i was right about obama taking dallas, houston, and austin. i got sunburned from being outside all damn day (i think my feet are brokens from standing forevs?) 250 came out to caucus tonight for two precincts, had to address large crowds of actual adults and organize them, precinct 2099: obama 4, clinton 3 delegates YAY too tired for punctuation

now i get to be precinct chair and vote again in 3 weeks. balls.

Surely anyone who Clinton rags on is going to do well from that in a GE, since Clinton herself is so disliked? I can't see this primary doing any lasting damage to Obama that a summer won't cure.

can someone explain to me (with some kind of figures) why hillary seems to be the one (at least on this thread) being accused of hurting the democrats by staying in, and not obama?

It's not just that she's staying in, it's how she's staying in. The attacks she's making on Obama stand a much greater chance of hurting him in the general (should he come out on top) than anything he's throwing back at her.

Of course, the perceived negativity isn't helping her chances in the general either - playing into "what a bitch" rhetoric from the right if she gets the nomination.

I'm more worried about the head start McCain is being given and the general spectacle of the Dems tearing themselves apart.

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doesn't matter who Clinton likes or doesn't like. Building a primary campaign out of "lol he's way too incompetent for this important job" = "EVEN HIS OWN PARTY DIDN'T THINK HE WAS CAPABLE OF LEADING THE FREE WORLD" in October.

Which is the problem with there not being any difference between the two of them, because there are no issues to disagree on so it had to get nasty and personal instead.

Texas primary called for Senator Clinton.

I've disagreed with Daria for most of the two primaries threads, but I'm totally with her on this one.

LOL at this "destroying the Democrats". There are sooo many ways the Dems and GOP can fuck up themselves *after* the conventions. The mudslinging is just a sideshow, dooders.

Because, you know, the GOP is so unified right now, and people will NEVER FORGET SPRING OF 2008 THE ALMOST OBAMA-CLINTON TIE. LOL.

I mean, when popular GOP pundits have to tell their followers to vote for "the weaker Democrat", that's not a good sign for the GOP.

I’m getting closer to predicting a Senator Clinton/Obama ticket. Strange.

I can't imagine that happening.

I wonder how many news outlets are going to completely ignore the Texas caucus.

With this conference call/disenfranchisement thing, probably not many of them.

Also, the idea that Hillary will find more exclusive dirt about Obama than the GOP is kinda a) giving Hillary more credit than she deserves, and b) underestimating even the crippled GOP this year, or more to the point, underestimating politics of negative since, well, Thomas Jefferson's run?

Pictures from a caucus.

gop pundits want dems to win in 2008 so they can blow shit up for 2010 and install the messiah (anti-christ) for 2012.... hillary is the poster child for a coulter/savage make-a-wish foundation book tour (burning) ... just as the dubya-presidency turned jon stewart into the butterfly, so would a hillary presidency for the righty-tighty pundits.

i think some in the gop realize that getting a gop pres, gop congressional control, and alito/roberts wasn't enough... either that or they're really not about hurting gays and killing baby killers. they know nothing actually gets done in congress without crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentation of their women! it's still the status quo unless they pound a 2/3 majority into congress and then it's elephantitus on parade.

daniel higgs was right when he swilled, "NOTHING IS EASY!" yeah, yeah, yeah.

i half-heartedly made the argument that hillary is hurting the democrats by staying in to a friend and he got real pissed, and i realized i didnt have a reason in particular to believe that hillary should drop out over obama other than that i like obama

-- max, Wednesday, March 5, 2008 5:14 AM

^^ also occurred to me as i drove home this evening

Obama still has a significant lead in pledged delegates and looks to maintain that lead. That should be reason enough to say if one should drop it, it should be Hillary over Obama. No?

<i>gop pundits want dems to win in 2008 so they can blow shit up for 2010 and install the messiah (anti-christ) for 2012.... hillary is the poster child for a coulter/savage make-a-wish foundation book tour (burning) ... just as the dubya-presidency turned jon stewart into the butterfly, so would a hillary presidency for the righty-tighty pundits.</i>

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