You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

NOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

I like that everyone seems to have agreed to blame Nolan/Goyer and basically ignore Snyder's involvement. (As they should.)

i hoped my expectations had been lowered sufficiently that i'd find something to enjoy but it lost me right at Jor-El, Two-Fisted Scientist of Krypton and somehow managed to go downhill from there.

oh wait Dune bit was kinda funny

i'd be ok with the sequel if russell crowe is the only character

I like that everyone seems to have agreed to blame Nolan/Goyer and basically ignore Snyder's involvement. (As they should.)

Though Nolan has stated that he didn't want the film to end the way it did.

Referring to what, exactly?

ending was the least of this thing's crimes, and a damn sight better than TDKR

Though Nolan has stated that he didn't want the film to end the way it did.

― Frederik B, Sunday, June 30, 2013 1:41 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

where?

i thought nolan was relatively hands off w/the whole thing, basically picked snyder and backed away

it's still fun to pile on nolan though. in any event, this movie was fine. i'm still waiting for a movie about the rivalry between superman and batman and i hope neither nolan nor snyder have anything to do with it.

who would u pick

woody allen

wtf production values aside this movie was worse than green lantern

GL was worse

worse than ghost rider?

this wasn't anywhere near green lantern

xp seriously though, i'm not sure. maybe ridley scott. i'm thinking a sort of batman dkr thing, starring an aged, cynical batman late in his career, who has built up resentment against superman over the course of decades.

I dunno it looked good but the best part was 5yo Clark running with his red cape.

i liked the art direction/photography in this film. the color scheme and lighting reminded me of alex ross's artwork.

[hugely important part of filmmaking] aside this was way worse than Green Lantern

the best part of this movie is that jonathan kent died in vain, a martyr to a cause that didn't pan out. i thought this was an interesting take: his death was heroic and principled, yet totally pointless. the only thing i really didn't like about this was amy adams' demure, helpless lois lane.

also i thought it was interesting/kinda funny that superman is the indirect cause of seemingly 100s of thousands of deaths. his existence in this film was a net negative for the world bc he is the only reason zod bothered to fuck with earth.

tbf I'm out on a limb here having only seen about 15 minutes of GL on cable but this entire thread was unable to prepare me for the horror so.

not worse than TDKR tho

the movie undermines itself in certain ways. maybe it is a polemic against utilitarian ethics: positing a vision of heroism that is admirable even when it hurts people. in this sense, it is more extreme than nolan's dark knight series, with its exploration of "blowback" in the second film. in that series, batman is ultimately found to be a net positive... his imposition of order onto gotham does, in the end, prove (i think) to have been the right course of action. if batman never existed, bane would have succeeded in destroying gotham i think?

iirc if batman never existed, talia wouldnt have wanted to destroy gotham

hm, i thought that might have been the case but i forget for certain. was ra's al ghul's beef with gotham completely bruce wayne related? or did he hate its "decadence" or something? ftr, i never really grasped ra's al ghul's ideology.

iirc he has a very particular set of skills. skills acquired over a long career.

if batman didn't exist ra's would have poisoned gotham and every other major city on the planet

yeah you are right. i am reading batman wiki and it seems that ra's al ghul is an eco-terrorist, essentially, who wants there to be a radically lower human population. and yet, he has a daughter.

supervillains are such hypocrites

an illegitimate daughter tbf

Such a terribly ugly looking film. Oppressive teal upon teal upon yet more teal upon smudged grey and deathly skin tones all round. I'll be so glad when this fad for desaturating films of their colour finally fades itself; I just want to see blue skies in one modern movie again before I die.

On Nolan and the ending:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/man-of-steel-ending_n_3461332.html

This idea of being uncomfortable with Supes killing Zod, but being totally fine with the total destruction of Metropolis, is so fucking insane to me.

He was his last link to Krypton.

doesn't he have all of krypton in his cell structure or something?

Yeah. But he doesn't know how to extract those lil kryptonians.

I came up with this idea of the heat vision and these people about to die. I wrote the scene and I gave it to Chris and he said, "OK, you convinced me. I buy it."

smh so hard at this... that family cowering in teh corner as the heat vision swept towards them was so lame, it looked like they could have easily just ran in the other direction

yeah, was anyone not thinking that? also, and i am not a superman scholar, but i feel like in most iterations he could've easily found a way to stop zod without doing what he did. he's supposed to thwart bad guys in creative ways! not just pummel them to death

yeah I was like why are they just cowering there? literally nothing to stop them running off

you'd think they'd never been close to a heat ray before

http://www.win-vector.com/blog/2012/06/how-to-outrun-a-crashing-alien-spaceship/

"This article is part of our occasional “just because” or “fun” series."

it's a goofy looking shot and bogus motivation for super-necksnap but i think a bunch of people shitting their pants a foot away from a death beam is more plausible than Kevin Costner doing a Sam The Eagle impression inside of a tornado

everytime i hear about the tornado sequence, i wonder why they didn't have red tornado show up in this film
and then i remember this film is not for me

i think i would go into shock if i was standing next to that heat vision beam, and might even neglect to get out of the way. who knows?!?!?

people often go into shock when they see a gun partially due to "wtf, it's a gun", and also the knowledge that any sudden movement could trigger a shot from the person holding it. When you see the trail of lolazers coming towards you, slowly and deliberately, I think most of us could manage the fortitude to stop messing our pants for three seconds and move ever so slightly out of the way.

perhaps they didn't want to live in a world where they relied on the protection of one of the Tudors

yes they should have outrun the eye-lasers that's what was wrong with this movie