THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

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DAMMIT I WANT MY SEXY BROWN PEOPLE.

Also Oberyn is supposed to be in his 40s in the books.

I'm glad to be wrong at the show holding off with UnCat, btw.

in the books it happens a good 400-500 pages after where we currently are so its not that surprising

where were you when i needed you man?

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/first-game-of-thrones-season-4-trailer-is-out-1499947243

trailer for Season 4

looks like they're going to do a similar thing with Catelyn as they did with Theon in season 3, even though she doesn't actually appear again until book 4/5

everything i've read pretty much spells out that they'll be solidly into affc/adwd by the end of this season, at least for some of the stories.

yeah, not sure how much they could do with Arya without moving into later books

she's got more travels with the hound but yeah, not a ton of material for her. dany's book 3 story is over pretty quick from where they are, too.

there's pretty much no chance they don't end up finishing this thing years and years before martin wraps things up huh

Dany's book 3 story seemed really long ... like there is a lot left that could be enough for the season.

Was a bit irritated at how they changed Asha(?) - Theon's sister, at the end of Season 3.

There's still a ton of Wall/Wildling battle stuff to go

http://i.imgur.com/lksfJO7.jpg

wkiw

Yeah this guy is a boss.

So we should lay out bets on when UnCat shows up. I say the third episode.

And the Purple Wedding. I reckon they'll spring that one surprisingly early, maybe even episode 2.

most of the episode titles have been released and you can m/l place where things happen from those

Just finished ADAD

I lol'd that GRRM basically pulled the Luke Perry on the Simpsons gag with Loras

Also, show-Roose needs to have gray eyes, and maybe be bald, and more rounder and fatter like Varys

Did GRRM ever explain in the books who reforged Ice into Oathkeeper and the other sword

Used to think Valyrian steel was just a special kind of tempered steel folded a bajillion times like katana steel

But the closer analogue to GRRM's world is probably Damascan steel

Also feel like lately whenever he needs to explain a plot point he's been like, throw a spell on it

Controlling the dragons and creating that big dragontaming horn

Throw a spell on that Valerian steel

Yeah Valyrian steel being forged by magical means has been a thing in the books for a while. The bit about the reforging of Ice is in an early Tyrion chapter. All the things you mention (taming dragons, Valyrian steel) were done by the Valyrians, who basically did everything with magic.

I don't know if GRRM specified an exact smith who reforged Ice, but it was done at the behest of Tywin.

Also, Rickard + Lysa = Joffrey.

I think you mean Roose + Littlefinger = Jaime.

Yeah I guess the knot is, if Valyrian steel is magical, but nobody remembers how to make it, then how can smith reforge it, if he dont know the spells

maybe the magic is imbued in the metal, not the casting.

If that's true I'd melt one sword down and then mix the metal with a hundred other different swords and then I'd have a 100 Valyrian swords :)

No, you'd have 100 swords that are 1/100th valyrian steel.

The way they made Tyrion go nudge nudge wink wink to Shae is kind of problematic, because then why wouldn't he just tell her life is in imminent danger?

Having Bronn replace Ilyn paynes role was disappointing but then I remembered paynes actor has terminal cancer, so I felt bad

Same. But they're not afraid of recasting (No two season with the same Mountain! Some old dude playing Bran now!), so I think they wanted Bronn there.

Yeah, but Payne has such a unique look to him

Tbh that was one of only a few bright spots from the books post SOS, the grim humor of Jaime's ineptness witnessed by a man who can't speak or write

Bronn is playing the role of like 15 different characters from the book now, sells words will do anything for gold

They didn't care about appearances with the second Mountain, aka the Beanpole That Rides. He was tall, at least.

Yeah - the most egregious switch has been Daario so far I think but he's very necessary to the plot so they had to

i guess jamie vs mute guy doesn't necessarily make for good tv

tyrion harry and the hendersoning shae is consistent with what they've done with them in the show, if she suddenly believed she was in danger after ignoring the message 100 times that would be more problematic. the thing i am super curious about is, since in the series that have made much more of their relationship being sincere, how do they arrive at tyrion killing shae? maybe they figure that would be unpopular with viewers and have junked it. i am gonna guess that tywin kills her adding motive for tyrion.

Oh I hope not, I thought that the book provided a perfect conclusion to the is she / isn't she being honest storyline - one of the more effective betrayals in the series, particularly given tyrion's vulnerability following the incident when he was younger. That reveal during the court scenes was like a punch to the gut

yeah but the book left ambiguity in their relationship, whereas if it turns out shae has been playing him on the show that would make zero sense imo

Am I missing something? iirc he kills her whilst she's in bed with his father having previously savagely and publically humiliated him. Not much ambiguity there.

ambiguity up to that point. vs the show, where it is clearly supposed to be tru luv 4eva

yeah w/ the show i'm thinking it's just gonna come off as a woman scorned or spurned lover whereas in the book it's one of tyrion's worst suspicions being confirmed at the worst time

Man for some reason I assumed that Shae only started sleeping with Tywin after Tyrion got locked up

I thought it was only in the books to show that even the mighty Tywin Lannister was a hypocrite enslaved to his senses

it's been a while since i read the book so i'm possibly not remembering well at all but i seem to recall thinking that in the book shae's betrayal being sudden and total, always assumed that they came to her w/ an offer and she saw an opportunity to trade up and cut ties w/ someone she never loved who was clearly doomed to die anyway and her sleeping w/ tywin more an opportunity of the moment for both of them plus something to amplify the betrayal to tyrion. i don't even remember him sending shae away though so i might be wrong. one thing the show can't really capture that works well in the books is the way the limited perspectives of each character, there's alot of reality you have to piece together from different takes in different chapters that in the show end up being more straight forward.

In the books Shae is a lot younger and seen solely from Tyrion's starry-eyed perspective. The whole thing from her side is quite clearly a business transaction and she doesn't care about Tyrion - Bronn refused to fight for him against the Mountain, it shouldn't be any surprise to anyone that Shae wouldn't want to defend him given that there would be no good outcome to the situation for her. She's a peasant, entirely forgettable and disposable; the Lannisters wouldn't think twice about killing her if she didn't cooperate, and she knows it ("Your father frightens me so.") Tyrion's previous history with Tysha is actually his worst fear confirmed - Tysha was a peasant girl who did love him and Jaime helped Tywin to lie about it.

in bronn's defense they gave him a title and the mountain would've killed him quickly

And Cersei promised Shae a house and jewels.

So they turned the Jaime/Cersei period sex scene into a full-on rape scene. Yeesh.

btw can someone remind who killed joffrey?

The ASOIAF wiki says Olenna Tyrell + Littlefinger

forgot about lilfings

Yeah I think you put that piece of the puzzle in once you find out it was Littlefinger who was instructing Sir Dontas

Sir Dontas gave Sansa the amethysts that she had to wear to the wedding that contained the poison

I forgot how Olenna was implicated in the books I just skimread them tbh