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re devils advocacy - doglatin don't worry, i do as well. and your anecdotes ring true to enough of us i think. i have spent most of my life in a hugely apathetic environment - as the average for my year's GCSE and A-Level results plus the general attitude at my university (abysmal attendance at hustings, UGM etc., contributions of material to the paper which i edited at one point). i'd basically seen enough first-hand to have agreed in the past that 'my generation' seemed markedly apathetic. however in recent years i've seen more evidence to counter that so it really depends what circles you've moved in and how aware you are of current movements (the web certainly assists there)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh, Henry, old boy, that's not true in general. The reaction to this particular issue is because most of us have bombarded with cultural nostalgia since we were nippers. 'It were better in the sixties/punk when people had POLITICS and PLAYED GUITARS and songs had LYRICS that meant SOMETHING and you could tell girls from boys and rhubarb, mutter, grumble, bore to death...

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

MattDC -- That's history as a field of endeavour fucked then. I'm not about earnestness of hating on fun or any of that shit. All I'm attempting to get to is my own experiences of me and other people over the last five years or so. I actually hate the idea of 'political clubbing', and although 'Jilted' was a fucking MAJOR record for me the sleeve was always a joke.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the most political part of the thread wasn't where we were talking about politics but when we were talking about bridges

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

And yeah, the way this position seems to be AUTOMATICALLY adopted by a certain sector of the population who weren't even around to experience it the first time round is really infuriating. The unbearable prevalence of rockism, y'all.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread appears to be a straw man building contest.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer, what's political is your terrible prejudice against tunnels to the point of omission!

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

politics = what we leave OUT!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim was that your Dan Perry impression? (sorry Dan, Tim)

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i never thought of the 'MFTJG' sleeve and inside as a joke. it seemed an accurate enough representation or at least well communicated delivery of a genuine sentiment at that time (but i WAS 16...).

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

and i did go to that ravine and it WAS stormy and the ropebridge HAD been cut off!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

West End Girls, if it is "socially conscious", is socially conscious minus those scare quotes, ie astute as opposed to vaguely lamenting.

Er, that sentence is the first time those scare quotes went on. Are you saying that the stuff people your age are listening to was "socially conscious" rather than socially conscious?

I do think it's a shame there's a type of music they don't make much of anymore, and I am suprised at how gleeful I am that the on-paper dull and "worthy" Faithless single is in fact ace.

Of course it's not like "good" music has better odds than any other sort at being good music, it may just be that they made more of it back then. "Small town boy" AND "Don't leave me this way".

For me the thing in the 90s (which was the start of this Generation Y apathy, the rule that No Logo was the exception to) was going "Hooray, we've won! Oh fuck, that's not us!".

http://www.heavenly100.com/img/artists_pics/socialism.jpg

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

'It were better in the sixties/punk when people had POLITICS and PLAYED GUITARS and songs had LYRICS that meant SOMETHING and you could tell girls from boys and rhubarb, mutter, grumble, bore to death...

I guess reacting agin this was important -- but because it wasn't laid on me (I had '88 mythology to content with -- from Shoom *and* from Chuck D) it hasn't been a great burden.

Oh I guess I dugged the MFTJG sleeve at 13. Erm, but then I liked the Manics...

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Enrique, there's a huge difference between 'history' and statements like I'm sure when I was younger, there were people who gave a toss about certain things. These same people work in offices all day (like me) and then they're too zonked by it all at the end of the week (like me) to think straight, hence this "I'm so depressed, I've gotta spend the little dollar I earn on getting totally fucked and dancing to moronic, ironic music that I don't even really like".

Which is what I was railing against and regardless of whether Doglatin was playing devil's advocate or not this attitude is annoyingly prevalent even among educated people who should know better. Its also only really a small step away from the Daily Mail "Television is corrupting our youth, I remember when I was a child we all gleefully read books" line.

Damn, Tim has made me feel mildly silly but I'm going to post this anyway.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

TRACER OTM

(xpost HAHAHA PHEAR MY MIGHTY PHALLUS oh sorry wrong thread)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

apex of politics in song = Wham Rap

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I see your Wham Rap and raise you one Anfield Rap, Mannion.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Anfield Rap political? you mean Craig Johnston couldn't get a game cos he was South Afreakin?

Enrique if you look back on the MFTJG sleeve and cringe, that strikes me as more disappointing than the idea that it was JUST a naive statement to be discounted now

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Thing is I get fucked up at the weekend and watch BB to escape the HORROR of living, just on red wine/g&t not pills. So I am modern mang really.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

to perceive living as horror is an attitude to be confronted itself, not escaped

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Andrew I know I added those quotes, I wasn't criticising your post.

The thing is, the sense of "we've won" is never going to be anything but a false dawn because there is never a victory in life as regards anything, it's an ongoing series of problems/solutions.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

You two scousers are always yapping
I'm gonna show you some serious rapping
I come from Jamaica, my name is John Barn-es
When I do my thing the crowd go bananas

How's he doing the Jamaica rap?
He's from just south of the Watford Gap
He gives us stick about the north/south divide
'cause they got the jobs
Yeah, but we got the side

That's some heavy shit there, people.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

When I do my thing the crowd go bananas

most unfortunate considering they were thrown at him on one occasion. actually maybe THIS was why all along...'racialist? why no your honour i'm just a little hard of hearing!'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Enrique if you look back on the MFTJG sleeve and cringe, that strikes me as more disappointing than the idea that it was JUST a naive statement to be discounted now

I cringe in the same way I cringe at 'Gold Agin the Soul', on aesthetic grounds which are also political. Liam 'n' co are not very axiomatic of what's happened to rave culture BUT they aren't quite the idealists any more, or if they are it's in an entirely different way.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sorry i can't hear you, i've got politics stuck in my ear

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

and you're wearing a towel/jacuzzi suit

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan: this is always true (humans turn out to be humans shocker, the only people who should be in charge are the ones who don't want to be etc.) but people always forget this when there's a common enemy, as in the current situation inside the US.

I think the fact that the anti-Bush coalition is all over the place is overshadowing the fact that the pro-Bush coalition is equally all over the place. If the War on Terror ended tomorrow, there'd be a lot of "hang on, why are we supporting this guy again?". But the WoT is designed to be without end... (puts on tin-foil hat)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

wahay, dog latin sounds like me two years ago.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

that's because I'm posting from the year 2001.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 20 June 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

How far back are dl and Enrique identifying this clubbing-political apathy and anti-intellectualist problem? I mean, Enrique, you've said you think dance music went down the dumper at some point, but you know that people (jaded ravers as much as outsiders) have been saying thing about pills hedonism being a self-administered opiate for the masses since at least the start of the 90s? That doesn't make an invalid argument, of course - it's just something to bear in mind before you make any hasty assertions about something wider having changed, just on the basis of your own personal journey.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Look at lipstickandcigarettes and then look at this piece of shit (Warning - scrolling down not safe for work)

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

it is safe for work though, dont worry, the image that made it unsafe is now gone

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Me dont like those indie hipsters

sorry, this is the one i was looking for. i dont like the attitudes expressed in this thread, and i think its a shadow that hangs over this one, and others, also

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

this is a great post. fuck clubbing with its facist bouncers, overpriced drinks, shit music and cheesy decor.

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ive been spending most of my life living in the clubbers paradise, apparently.

― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn I was good on this thread.

Not as good as the "bag of chips" comment though. I love it when people remind me of things I should never have forgotten.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i have never been in a "club".

― John (jdahlem), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i missed the running chips theme myself until just now. Matt DC OTM - you were marvellous on this thread err.. darling... or something.
For a thread about clubbing this was a debate of prog-rock proportions.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.infurmation.com/crimescene/images/bloclub01.jpg

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/cbspix/sinuses.png

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.canadianvoiceforanimals.org/files/ifaw_seal_clubbing_photo.jpg

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/charlottecooper/charlotte/imgs/travel/tromso/sealclub.jpg

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i get it

― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

for me these days it's usually a case of "if I don't know the person who's running the club, I don't go".

To be honest, in Oxford you can pretty much avoid the problems described initially on this thread by DL by avoiding *one particular* club.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

NNGT CHIIK NGGT CHIIK NNGT CHIIK

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i never go to meatmarket clubs; there's no problem

― LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

is dancing noize

― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

This is like everyone involved's finest hour.

Matt otm re chips.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"But yes, clubbing is rubbish. It's like McDonalds. You get enticed into McDonalds, everybody saying how great it is and the glamour and the smells. "

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

SHIT DAWG
I'M LOVIN' IT!

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

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