from 4.45 o_O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFn-ixX9edg
― oh, the humanities (onimo), Monday, 24 June 2013 12:58 (thirteen years ago)
lol x10
― Treeship, Monday, 24 June 2013 13:23 (thirteen years ago)
WAT
― Evan, Monday, 24 June 2013 13:46 (thirteen years ago)
theeeee dayyyyy killlllroooooooy loooooooost hiiiis miiiiiiiiiind
― ghosts of cuddlestein butthurt circlejerk zinged fuckboy (imago), Monday, 24 June 2013 13:49 (thirteen years ago)
his best work since The Blind Watchmaker imo
― The drone that was played caused panic and confusion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 June 2013 13:53 (thirteen years ago)
i still prefer daft punk to richard dawkins
― Treeship, Monday, 24 June 2013 13:57 (thirteen years ago)
I guess the shirt was a fair warning
― Evan, Monday, 24 June 2013 13:58 (thirteen years ago)
Needs to be mashed up with Mister Rogers' "Garden of Your Mind"
― Josefa, Monday, 24 June 2013 14:17 (thirteen years ago)
i think it needs the outro to new slaves tacked onto the end
― Treeship, Monday, 24 June 2013 14:29 (thirteen years ago)
The electronic clarinet solo was a fitting outro
― Evan, Monday, 24 June 2013 14:33 (thirteen years ago)
what the.
Quite enjoying Dawkins' slow descent into madness tbh, interested to see at what point his followers will catch on and slowly back away.
― Fanois och Alexander (Merdeyeux), Monday, 24 June 2013 14:35 (thirteen years ago)
this made me think of herbie hancock "rockit"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 24 June 2013 14:50 (thirteen years ago)
"Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead. Philosophy has not kept up with modern developments in science, particularly physics."
this is not my kind of problems but i wonder if this guy knows about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
― Sébastien, Monday, 24 June 2013 14:50 (thirteen years ago)
your move, pope francis
― ogmor, Monday, 24 June 2013 15:00 (thirteen years ago)
Fucking hell.
― cardamon, Monday, 24 June 2013 15:08 (thirteen years ago)
I wonder if Dawkins had a Geocities page.
― Evan, Monday, 24 June 2013 15:09 (thirteen years ago)
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/6/24/9/enhanced-buzz-8023-1372081141-2.jpg
holy shit, it's coleman dawkins
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:23 (thirteen years ago)
I was thinking it's like freestyle played backwards
― Josefa, Monday, 24 June 2013 15:34 (thirteen years ago)
LOOOOOOL
― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 June 2013 15:41 (thirteen years ago)
Hahahaha that's like something that comes on at 3am on the local cable access channel.
― This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:37 (thirteen years ago)
Dawkins actually co-produced "Xavier Renegade Angel"
― Evan, Monday, 24 June 2013 18:40 (thirteen years ago)
if the haters aren't converted by that clip, I don't know what it's gonna take
― Josefa, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:10 (thirteen years ago)
i like him more after seeing that. i only watched the music part, but it seems that what he was saying -- about how linguistic/symbolic information is spread in a similar, but much, much more rapid way than genetic information -- is similar to things that terrence mckenna said.
― Treeship, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:28 (thirteen years ago)
i guess that's been his schtick for a while, but i never thought of it as being interesting in hippe/psychadelic terms until seeing that clip.
― Treeship, Monday, 24 June 2013 19:29 (thirteen years ago)
I like watching something in the present and thinking "that's going to look very 'of its era' in the future."
― even the beatles had a coinstar machine in their living room (Crabbits), Monday, 24 June 2013 20:18 (thirteen years ago)
#seapunk
― Treeship, Monday, 24 June 2013 20:20 (thirteen years ago)
― even the beatles had a coinstar machine in their living room (Crabbits), Monday, June 24, 2013 4:18 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It kinda looked like 1996, too.
― Evan, Monday, 24 June 2013 23:53 (thirteen years ago)
1996 is very 2013
― ogmor, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 22:18 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.amazon.com/review/RK8LQ93NP1YCI
― max, Friday, 28 June 2013 11:37 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/grandpa_simpson_yelling_at_cloud.jpg
― for many people a really special folder makes a huge difference (Noodle Vague), Friday, 28 June 2013 11:39 (thirteen years ago)
ah i should have looked for a dawkins thread sorry. should have known you guys would have been on the tip of the crazy pulse. i am a fan of this guy now.
― scott seward, Friday, 28 June 2013 11:41 (thirteen years ago)
I'd like that amazon review to be real, because it would support an unfounded notion I've got about the new atheists as science people who have to spend a lot of time being rational in their day jobs and thus become irrationally angry outside of their specialisation
― cardamon, Saturday, 29 June 2013 10:58 (thirteen years ago)
cf. stark difference between, 'Fascinating, there's a 5% increase in the level of oxygen in this puddle' vs 'ALL RELIGION MUST BE DESTROYED'
― cardamon, Saturday, 29 June 2013 10:59 (thirteen years ago)
the few harcore atheists i've known have tended to be non-scientist angry libertarian types
― Me and my pool noodle (contenderizer), Saturday, 29 June 2013 11:09 (thirteen years ago)
lmao @ video
― flopson, Saturday, 29 June 2013 20:25 (thirteen years ago)
not sure where else to put this http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114127/science-not-enemy-humanities
― max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 11:34 (twelve years ago)
sounds like he's solved war, not sure why he keeps on nagging the humanities
― woof, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:23 (twelve years ago)
This article in Nautilus contradicts his first sentence:http://nautil.us/issue/4/the-unlikely/monsters-marvels-and-the-birth-of-science
Should I bother reading more?
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:28 (twelve years ago)
his whole lede is infuriating. trying to claim spinoza as an evolutionary psychologist! the gall!
― max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:30 (twelve years ago)
This passage, from a 2011 review in The Nation of three books by Sam Harris by the historian Jackson Lears, makes the standard case for the prosecution by the left:Positivist assumptions provided the epistemological foundations for Social Darwinism and pop-evolutionary notions of progress, as well as for scientific racism and imperialism. These tendencies coalesced in eugenics, the doctrine that human well-being could be improved and eventually perfected through the selective breeding of the "fit" and the sterilization or elimination of the "unfit." ... Every schoolkid knows about what happened next: the catastrophic twentieth century. Two world wars, the systematic slaughter of innocents on an unprecedented scale, the proliferration of unimaginable destructive weapons, brushfire wars on the periphery of empire—all these events involved, in various degrees, the application of sceintific research to advanced technology.
Positivist assumptions provided the epistemological foundations for Social Darwinism and pop-evolutionary notions of progress, as well as for scientific racism and imperialism. These tendencies coalesced in eugenics, the doctrine that human well-being could be improved and eventually perfected through the selective breeding of the "fit" and the sterilization or elimination of the "unfit." ... Every schoolkid knows about what happened next: the catastrophic twentieth century. Two world wars, the systematic slaughter of innocents on an unprecedented scale, the proliferration of unimaginable destructive weapons, brushfire wars on the periphery of empire—all these events involved, in various degrees, the application of sceintific research to advanced technology.
Isn't this just a denunciation of the misguided uses of quasi-scientific "knowledge" rather than an attack on scientific reason itself? It's almost like Pinker is engaged in straw-manning.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:33 (twelve years ago)
"the application of sceintific research to advanced technology." - don't see any "quasi" or "misguided" there.
― click here to start exploding (ledge), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:36 (twelve years ago)
"in various degrees" i think serves as the blanket
― max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:37 (twelve years ago)
should read "the combination of pseudo-science and advanced technology" or similar, probably.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:40 (twelve years ago)
i don't think he needs "pseudo" there. nuclear bombs were made with real science!
― max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:41 (twelve years ago)
I'm going to find out more about his version of Hobbes. I'm ready to be a little maddened, but I at least like that he's into someone dodged by most enlightenment cheerleaders.
― woof, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:41 (twelve years ago)
it seems to me that pinker cant really distinguish between "science" and "the scientific method" on the one hand and "scientism" and "positivism" on the other, when the attacks he cites are mostly on the latter and not the former. but, what a surprise that a positivist identifies his project as the project of all science.
― max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:42 (twelve years ago)
xxp I think Lears is getting at the combination of ideologies based on pseudo-scientific knowledge such as Social Darwinism and the technologies of mass slaughter made possible by advanced technology.
Anyway, getting a bit bogged down here. The rest of the article seems to be "hey Humanists science is pretty great!" which is fine so far as it goes.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:44 (twelve years ago)
This section contains a classic is/ought fallacy:
And in combination with a few unexceptionable convictions— that all of us value our own welfare and that we are social beings who impinge on each other and can negotiate codes of conduct—the scientific facts militate toward a defensible morality, namely adhering to principles that maximize the flourishing of humans and other sentient beings
― Neil S, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:47 (twelve years ago)
it's ok to use values to bridge the is/ought gap.
― click here to start exploding (ledge), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:52 (twelve years ago)
The new sciences of the mind are reexamining the connections between politics and human nature, which were avidly discussed in Madison’s time but submerged during a long interlude in which humans were assumed to be blank slates or rational actors. Humans, we are increasingly appreciating, are moralistic actors, guided by norms and taboos about authority, tribe, and purity, and driven by conflicting inclinations toward revenge and reconciliation.
thx for figuring that one out for us i'll tell The Humanities
― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:08 (twelve years ago)