Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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My cousin just lost his house in the Black Forest fire in Colorado Springs. His wife was interviewed in the Denver Post http://blogs.denverpost.com/food/2013/06/18/black-forest-fire-benefits/20160/

Some of these areas that are burning now haven't had a burn in recent memory.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 22 June 2013 10:01 (thirteen years ago)

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/imagery/2013172/co-000/crefl2_A2013172193628-2013172194717_250m_co-000_143.jpg
Actual image much larger.

By the way, while current southern Rocky drought is severe, it will probably get worse.

According to this paper, by the 2050s, suitable habitats for all Rocky mountain tree species will move north by 600 km or up in elevation by 250 m. Ie, start planting trees from Albuquerque around Ft. Collins, and trees from Flagstaff around St. Lake City, now.

South America will probably have a bad fire season as well.

Me So Hormetic (Sanpaku), Saturday, 22 June 2013 15:42 (thirteen years ago)

President Obama will announce Tuesday in a speech at Georgetown University that he plans to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions from existing power plants, according to individuals who have been briefed on the plan but asked not to be identified.

In a statement Saturday afternoon sent via the White House Twitter feed, Obama said that he plans to fulfill the pledge he made in his second inaugural address to “respond to the growing threat of climate change for the sake of our children and future generations.”

the accompanying video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcL3_zzgWeU

The full transcript of his remarks in the video:

In my inaugural address, I pledged that America would respond to the growing threat of climate change for the sake of our children and future generations.
This Tuesday, I’ll lay out my vision for where I believe we need to go –- a national plan to reduce carbon pollution, prepare our country for the impacts of climate change, and lead global efforts to fight it.
This is a serious challenge – but it’s one uniquely suited to America’s strengths.
We’ll need scientists to design new fuels, and farmers to grow them.
We’ll need engineers to devise new sources of energy, and businesses to make and sell them.
We’ll need workers to build the foundation for a clean energy economy.
And we’ll need all of us, as citizens, to do our part to preserve God’s creation for future generations – our forests and waterways, our croplands and snowcapped peaks.
There’s no single step that can reverse the effects of climate change. But when it comes to the world we leave our children, we owe it to them to do what we can.
So I hope you’ll share this message with your friends. Because this a challenge that affects everyone – and we all have a stake in solving it together.
I hope to see you Tuesday. Thank you.

Z S, Saturday, 22 June 2013 21:13 (thirteen years ago)

i'd excited about the prospect of finally pushing the new rule on regulating new power plants, not to mention the (far more important) rule on existing power plants. the supreme court ordered EPA to do this SIX YEARS AGO, so it's about time.

less excited about hearing about how great nuclear power and natural gas are, and reaaaaaaally hoping the word "corn" is not used in the biofuels section.

Z S, Saturday, 22 June 2013 21:15 (thirteen years ago)

Did anybody see the "Miami is doomed" story by Jeff Goddell in the new Rolling Stone?

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 23 June 2013 03:02 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-the-city-of-miami-is-doomed-to-drown-20130620

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 23 June 2013 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

It was 85 F at 9am in northeast OH this morning. Last week it was cold enough at 6am for me to wear a jacket when biking to work. Just the normal ebb and flow nbd.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Sunday, 23 June 2013 16:34 (thirteen years ago)

like ... no keystone?

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 17:35 (thirteen years ago)

don't think he's going to mention keystone today.

for those interested in watching, there's a livestream here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

supposed to start at 1:55 Eastern, I think.

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 17:42 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/obama-keystone_n_3497292.html?1372180768

From the home of the underground railway and stuff (symsymsym), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 17:56 (thirteen years ago)

oh, nice! i hadn't seen that! and that article mentions that he's going to mention it in his speech, too.

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:00 (thirteen years ago)

Z S - "wrong about everything for over 30 years"

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:01 (thirteen years ago)

cautiously optimistic about this, altho really there's only so much he can do via executive order absent legislation from congress. EPA def needs to impose those rules on power plants tho, that's a big step.

the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:05 (thirteen years ago)

reportedly he's still going to talk about clean coal and natural gas, so that sucks. but not unexpected.

EPA def needs to impose those rules on power plants tho, that's a big step.

totally, i just don't understand why it's taking a memo from the POTUS to do this? the supreme court already ordered EPA to do this in 2007!

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:08 (thirteen years ago)

clean coal is such a joke

the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:09 (thirteen years ago)

I love how these kinds of speeches never, ever, ever, start on time

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:18 (thirteen years ago)

Oh. I just hit refresh, and it looks like he's been speaking for a long time and I missed it. Thanks, White House stream, for not automatically playing the speech once it started!

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:30 (thirteen years ago)

on the keystone statement, though (missed 90% of the speech so i don't know if he mentioned it there), i'm not sure the outcome is as rosy at it appears. here's what the huffington post article said:

President Barack Obama will ask the State Department not to approve the construction of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline unless it can first determine that it will not lead to a net increase in greenhouse gas emissions, a senior administration official told The Huffington Post.

but climateprogress points out two open questions on this:

This could be a restatement of typical Administration policy on Keystone: the State Department concluded that the pipeline would lead to no new greenhouse gas emissions because it assumed that the tar sands oil would be extracted pipeline or no.

...Will they determine that offsets are adequate emissions reductions? If TransCanada purchased offsets somewhere else that were carbon-negative, in theory they could argue that building the Keystone XL pipeline would not not lead to a net increase in emissions.

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 18:38 (thirteen years ago)

ah, the copout is already emerging. from the WashPo article:

According to a senior administration who asked not to be identified because the final decision has not been made, the administration will examine whether vetoing the project--which would mean the oil would likely be shipped by rail—would translate into higher emissions than building it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-climate-strategy-represents-piecemeal-approach/2013/06/25/7bd9f20a-dd0a-11e2-bd83-e99e43c336ed_story.html?hpid=z2

gotta love the assumption there between the hyphens, "which would mean the oil would likely be shipped by rail", which is by no means a foregone conclusion.

thanks for giving a preview of the bullshit that will emerge later this year, unnamed senior administration official who cannot speak because they're not authorized but somehow appears in every news story!

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 19:06 (thirteen years ago)

man that guy has the inside dirt on EVERYTHING

the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

i was surprised to see david roberts real excited about this speech

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:37 (thirteen years ago)

"This is vintage Obama. He refuses to wage lofty ideological battles, which frustrates the hell out of people who view those battles as necessary and inevitable. He doesn’t direct a lot of energy at bashing his head into walls. He just puts the available resources to work doing what can be done. It’s not enough — it’s not even as much as he could do — but it would be a big mistake to think it doesn’t matter."

i wouldn't say he's toooootally stoked, but yeah he seems pleased.

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

of course, this barely even made the news today, as top notch news organization politico noted:

If you were looking for live coverage of President Obama's big climate speech on Tuesday afternoon, your best bet was not CNN or MSNBC but The Weather Channel, which carried full coverage and post-game analysis.

The big three cable networks -- including MSNBC, which used to break for even the most familiar Obama stump speeches -- skipped most of the the president's speech, opting instead for coverage of the recent Supreme Court rulings (MSNBC), the Trayvon Martin trial and the Paula Deen controversy (CNN), and, in the case of Fox News, an interview with a climate change skeptic.

as roberts argues in his article, though, the lack of attention is probably exactly what the administration wants. they'd be fools to schedule it on the same afternoon as the supreme court opinion if they were looking for it to be top news.

Z S, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 21:00 (thirteen years ago)

http://desmogblog.com/2013/06/27/api-22-million-keystone-xl-lobbying-erm

Z S, Monday, 1 July 2013 21:05 (thirteen years ago)

Re the deaths of 19 firefighters

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/07/horrible-tragedy-in-arizona-are-we.html

If this had been a terrorist attack, it would be socially acceptable to do more than just offer sympathy and prayers for the victims. It would be acceptable to ask why it happened, and what we can do to stop it happening again.

But when it's a scorching wildfire on one of the hottest days of a record-breaking heat wave in a world growing hotter every year unequivocally due to climate change, then we're not supposed to talk about that. That's called "politicizing tragedy."

curmudgeon, Monday, 1 July 2013 21:21 (thirteen years ago)

more speculation on how obama will approve keystone xl...

Based on conversations with administration insiders, here's how I envision the final act of the long-running Keystone drama playing out:
Secretary of State John Kerry, who counts combatting climate change as one of his lifelong passions, will recommend to President Obama that he should not approve the pipeline, which would send 35 million gallons of oil every day over 1,700 miles from Alberta's carbon-heavy oil sands to Gulf Coast refineries. Obama will decide to approve the project, in large part because he will have secured commitments from Canada to do more to reduce its carbon emissions.
Obama will publicly repudiate Kerry, akin to how Obama publicly repudiated Lisa Jackson, his first Environmental Protection Agency administrator, two years ago when she asked the White House to let her move forward on a stronger smog standard. On the Friday before Labor Day 2011, Obama announced that he was delaying the standard because of economic concerns.
At that point in time, Jackson endured as the champion for disenchanted environmentalists.
Sometime this winter—I predict in December—Kerry will play that same role when Obama decides to approve the pipeline.
The response from pipeline proponents, especially Republicans in Congress, will be jubilation. More importantly, approval of the project can only help, not hurt, Democrats up for reelection in 2014, including Sens. Mary Landrieu in Louisiana, Mark Pryor in Arkansas, and Mark Begich in Alaska, who all support the pipeline and have more-conservative energy positions than Obama. But because the decision comes nearly a year before Election Day 2014, it will likely be old political news by the time campaigns kick into high gear.

...even though his climate speech last week suggested otherwise:

"Our national interest will only be served if this project does not significantly exacerbate the problem of carbon pollution," Obama said forcefully, prompting loud cheers from the audience of several hundred climate-minded people. "The net effects of the pipeline's impact on our climate will be absolutely critical to determining whether this project is allowed to go forward."

Environmentalists cheered Obama's new "test" for the pipeline. They maintain that there isn't a way Obama could approve the project since its impact will surely "significantly exacerbate" climate change. People close to the White House read it differently.

"I think it was a clear signal to the Canadians to come to the table and put a good-faith program out there that could provide the kind of net reductions beyond anyone's doubt that would allow Obama to proceed," said a source close to the Obama administration who would speak on the condition of anonymity only.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/power-play/how-obama-could-approve-keystone-20130630

Z S, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 20:11 (thirteen years ago)

so does anyone know yet what year this is all going to get so bad that i can blow off work/bills and start hunting/gathering?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 20:15 (thirteen years ago)

2012.

Stately, plump Carey Mulleeegan (Leee), Thursday, 4 July 2013 00:59 (thirteen years ago)

Cleveland Sets Record with 15th Straight Day of Rain

Today marks the 15th consecutive day of rain in Cleveland, setting a record for the longest stretch of rain during the summer months of June, July and August since at least 1900.

The National Weather Service reported 0.04 inches of rain by 9:30 a.m. at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, extending a streak that began with 2.41 inches back on June 25.

The Plain Dealer reviewed official weather service records for June, July and August going back to 1900, and could find no longer streak.

The previous mark - a 14-day stretch - was set from June 17 to June 30, 1928. On those days, there was actually very little rain but at least some each day. The total for those 14 days was 1.45 inches.

There have been streaks of at least 11 rain days seven other times, the latest extending from June 9 to June 19, 2004.

As for whether the current 15-day streak will extend longer, the forecast says yes. The National Weather Service say there is an 80 percent chance of rain on Wednesday, before an anticipated drying out the rest of the week.

Note that the article makes no mention of climate change, or of the fact that hotter air holds a lot more moisture than cooler air, or of the fact that climate change results in unpredictable and unseasonable weather.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 15:55 (twelve years ago)

WAS THE 14 DAY STREAK IN 1928 CAUSED BY GLOBAL WARMISM AS WELL?!?!11

Z S, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 15:57 (twelve years ago)

Plus Charles Krauthammer, George Will, and others have figured out that since the average global land temperature last year is the same as the spiked temperature from 16 years ago, that there is nothing to worry about

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 16:36 (twelve years ago)

It also doesn't mention that it hasn't been just rain, it's been constant, ferocious thunderstorms.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 16:49 (twelve years ago)

Wettest half year on record here so far. I want to say we're at close to 30 inches, which is already over the 2012 total. Yeah, here it is:

Chicago received 26.91 inches in 2012, and 28.46 inches in the first half of 2013.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 17:45 (twelve years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Alberta_floods

posting this since a lot of my friends didn't hear this come up that often

100,000 people had to evacuate

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:38 (twelve years ago)

Of course when I bring this shit up on FB my family pulls the old "so much for global warming" like it's supposed to instantly turn everything to Death Valley.

I also discovered when looking something up that, in 2012, Cleveland had 12 different days on which record high temps were recorded, spread from March to October.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 22:21 (twelve years ago)

I forget the figures, but reading recently about how few degrees cooler the average global temp needed to be to slip into full-on Ice Age really brought home the dangers of going the other way, too. It was only 5 or 6 degrees C, I think.

Still one of the scariest books I've read: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61cJz3DA-vL.gif

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 01:09 (twelve years ago)

oh man i have to read that now

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 11 July 2013 14:46 (twelve years ago)

is this credible or an exageration?
http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/
was linked through facebook, is very dire, the guy also seems a little strange. sorry if I'm off in either direction, this is just the first place I thought of to drop this to get the dirt.

chinavision!, Monday, 15 July 2013 23:26 (twelve years ago)

oh and also he linked to this bullshit article http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism
which didn't seem too credible either for a serious guy?

chinavision!, Monday, 15 July 2013 23:34 (twelve years ago)

CV: Its a touch dramatic.

Predictions of average temperature change for a given emissions scenario haven't changed that much in the past decade. Svante Arrhenius wasn't that far off in 1896. There have been surprises in the speed of positive feedbacks like sea ice loss.

Its not a extinction scenario, just a dieoff/bottleneck of the sort humanity has survived before. I suspect we're reducing agricultural yields (via drought, high temps and loss of deltas) to that which might sustainably support 1-2 billion, which was the world population in the 19th century. If we're lucky, we'll reallocate resources with only moderate amounts of thermonuclear war. But, there don't seem to be enough exploitable fossil carbon reserves to send us into Venus like runway greenhouse. Whoever dominates the planet in a few hundred million years (as solar output inexorably increases) can face that disaster scenario.

sinking in the quicksands of (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 14:25 (twelve years ago)

see that's the comforting rebuttal I was looking for

chinavision!, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 14:33 (twelve years ago)

lol

what a wonderful url (Matt P), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 14:38 (twelve years ago)

Whoever dominates the planet in a few hundred million years

some kind of dinosaur, robot, or squidlike/buglike alien, if my research has been at all sound

j., Tuesday, 16 July 2013 14:44 (twelve years ago)

did your research involve the film 'pacific rim'

BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:51 (twelve years ago)

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/07/16/19504184-nervous-gop-staffer-climate-change-is-real?lite

Admits it but uses an alias to say so!

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 July 2013 15:54 (twelve years ago)

oh and also he linked to this bullshit article http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism
which didn't seem too credible either for a serious guy?

If you've read Six Degrees, I don't see how you could find this far-fetched. Since I read it, a few years ago now, I've just been watching for signs of the coming Armageddon. Plenty of 'em, too.

you may not like it now but you will (Zora), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:39 (twelve years ago)

I guess what I'm saying is that it all makes perfect, horrible sense, and if you think it's BS I'd like to know why; I could do with feeling a bit less doomed.

you may not like it now but you will (Zora), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:44 (twelve years ago)

i wish someone would come up with a year when it's all over so i can budget out living it up till then

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 16 July 2013 16:45 (twelve years ago)


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