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xp - Indeed it would. And that would closely resemble a constitutionally-guaranteed right called Freedom of Religion.

― briania (briania), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

you first 'Chantel'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand why the getting-married-in-church thing is an issue.

I don't think that really is an issue - anyone/any church can call two people married, the issue is that the rest of society doesn't have to recognize it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The word "marriage" is charged with religious meaning, which is why I think it'd be best to jettison it from a legal opint of view and just talk about civil unions. This is what they've essentially done in France, where gay couples (or straight couples or brothers and sisters or whatever) can sign a PACS (pacte civile de solidarité) which affords most of the rights of marriage.

― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

unfortuneately, "civil union" is also stigmatized as "a way for queers to approximate marriage".. So a new term is needed.

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Chantel, I don't think you will find anyone supporting the death penalt in muslim nations here. And probably not the death penalty anywhere.

However, I won't allow the Bible to be misinterpreted, twisted and wielded to hateful ends. The arguments will have to come both in the religious world and the secular, because like it or not we live in a christian civilisation.

But Jonathan, why can't a christian gay souple get married in a church which recognises their partnership?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

As I said, are we just declaring open season on Christianity right now or are we going to start criticising the instant death penalty handed out within Muslim countries for homosexuality? WELL?

This kind of argument really pisses me off. YES THERE ARE THINGS WRONG IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES AS WELL, I know. But rather than talking about something I know nothing about and have no contact with, I would rather talk about something I know about, think is wrong and have a chance of changing.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

FWIW, while I should be supportive of it, I think a large amount of the gravity in people standing up for it has made the issue seem like one for the left fringe when it should be a centrist civil rights issue - and thus people get scared of it. And as such, maybe jumping up and down in a country where most people don't want it hinders the cause.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

But rather than talking about something I know nothing about and have no contact with, I would rather talk about something I know about, think is wrong and have a chance of changing.

i'd rather not be KILLED

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Chantel, um, we're discussing gay marriage and, by extension, Christianity. Do by all means start a thread on why you hate Islam if you're so keen.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The only logical way to deal with is to get rid of the legal institution of marriage, but there is no way anyone is going to get away with that. Just imagine the hysterical family values hoo-hah that would result.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

one legitimate reason that people worry about a civil union between two people is because it would inevitably lead to demands for a civil union between more than two people. Which, of course, is totally rational.

The government has absolutely no compelling interest to regulate civil matters between consenting adults (other than in areas of fraud, etc.)

― don weiner, Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, am I the only one who sees a deep irony here? The vast majority of the posters on this thread have been British!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I apologize in advance for the US-centric viewpoint but our election was just yesterday and I presume was the shitstorm that spurred the topic.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(I was hoping noone would notice Dan)

But still, you are the spawn of our nation (i.e. you speak English).

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also we have the same debate going on in the UK)

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, we have gay marriage/civil union stuff brewing here as well! And with an established state religion, there are real actual constitutional problems involved. Though I do take your point.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

We don't have gay marriage yet either, Dan. (x-posts)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan Perry - Spawn of England!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Her Majesty is proud.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah, does this mean I can be President AND King???

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Kneel before his er hrm ah er munificence.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, not King exactly, but you could get married to William and be the nu-duke of Edinburgh.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, the liberal arguments will win - which is partly why the right are so afraid. We have been moving more and more towards egalitarian societies, ans they know they will lose. Add to that that I have never heard a proper argument against gay marriage and I am certain the egalitarians will win.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This should never be an issue. Let whomever wants to marry, marry. If they're crazy enough to want to do it, who am I to stand in their way? Hell, I'll even be flowergirl.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

more like teh nude duke of edinburgh

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

'08 is going to be a banner fucking year for me.

It is probably best that I have four years to acclimate myself to the political realm before I turn 35 as right now I want to state all of my issues as satirical initiatives; my current solution to the gay marriage issue would be to pen a bill that banned divorce and heterosexual civil unions.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

As i thought. Trendy and acceptable to attack Christians. Unnacceptable to attack other religions which are actually tolerant and fluffy.

Ridiculous.

― Chantel, Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"But Jonathan, why can't a christian gay couple get married in a church which recognises their partnership? "

I have no problem with that. But you can't legislate to force a church to do that. On the other hand, it's the law's business to protect the rights of individuals. Therefore we should separate out what churches do from what the law does, and call the two things by different names.

― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Chantel, Hooked On Phonics might work for you.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

tolerant and fluffy?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The Passion of the Snuggle Bear.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The day that the US and Britain become Islamic societies is the day that your objection to this thread makes sense, Chantel, just to spell it out for you.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

BBritain is a Christian country? When did this become official? As in the WHOLE of Britain? All of it Christian too?

― Chantel, Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You are a gigantic moron.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not the moron saying the UK is a Christian country.

― Chantel, Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Basic logic would tell you that saying Britain is not an Islamic society does not imply that Britain is a Christian society.

You don't know this because you are a moron.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

attacking fluffy things is definitely unacceptable!!!! leave the furry bunnies alone!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh huh, and so why does my point fail to register with you you brainless tosspot? Why the open attack on only one religion? Have you got an answer or not? Are you just going to sit there and dodge my question like the smug little prick you are?

― Chantel, Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The UK is a Christian country! We have a state religion! The Church of England - the Queen is it's head!

X-posts I don't want to force churches to hold gay services - none the less many would and want to, and saying that what happens in a Church is between a man and a woman and what happens outside is a civil union doesn;t help gay Christians.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not know enough about Islam the religion to comment on how it deals with homosexuality.

I do know enough about the way that homosexuals are treated in Islamic societies to know that what happens to gays in Islamic societies is wrong.

You are still a gigantic, oxygen-stealing idiot.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, Calum must REAAAAALLY be lonely in Essex today. Not even his blow-up doll girlfriend can give him love.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's not play the Calum game, okay? If this is him and he wants to run a whole bunch of personalities, fine. I don't care.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't it's true that he moved to Essex fwiw

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(think)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

the homosexual is the new jew. discuss.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never heard a proper argument against gay marriage and I am certain the egalitarians will win.

Overcoming emotionalism and irrational fear with argument is admittedly classic, but it's not an automatic win.

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Church of England. That's it then. UK is a Christian country. There's not other part of the UK.

― chantel, Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

are you a moron saying the UK is a Christian country now?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a veiled version of his usual scotland =/= england schtick, stevem.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 4 November 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

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still taking applications btw

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 December 2016 03:43 (nine years ago)

tough call, i don't get screeners anymore...

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 December 2016 03:46 (nine years ago)

eleven months pass...

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has declined to step into a case over a Texas high court ruling that says gay spouses may not be entitled to government-subsidized workplace benefits.

― Fred Klinkenberg (Eric H.), Monday, 4 December 2017 21:33 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GsyAoWXScA

― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 June 2020 00:23 (five years ago)

Four months without dick -- well.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2020 00:38 (five years ago)

i'd need to see a financial portfolio

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 June 2020 13:46 (five years ago)

dark times

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 27 June 2020 15:21 (five years ago)

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