JFK assassination: was any consensus ever reached as to who actually did it and why?

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Oswald was solely responsible for physically shooting Kennedy, but he was aided/abetted/instructed in doing so by party or parties unknown.

I've always thought that this was the most likely explanation.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

i figure it was the mob using oswald

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

i figure it was the mob using oswald

That's kinda what I believe too. With the CIA & FBI knowing all about it, but looking the other way.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

3. Oswald was solely responsible for physically shooting Kennedy, but he was aided/abetted/instructed in doing so by party or parties unknown.

wasn't like 30 minutes of Stone's JFK spent on this?

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but since he thought the killing was ordered by rabid anti-communists...or giant alien space bats, or something equally likely...

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

i figure it was the mob using oswald

This documentary (that I mentioned earlier) looked into that as well, and the gist of it was that there had been so many supergrasses over the past 40 years that it was unthinkable that if the mob had been involved the truth wouldn't have come out by now.

Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

Kennedy had spiked the White House programme looking into amusing ways to kill Castro and on 22 November 1963 was in the middle of arranging secret talks with Cuba to assure a peaceful co-existence. He was more worried about the exiles in Florida than the communists in the Caribbean.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

it was unthinkable that if the mob had been involved the truth wouldn't have come out by now.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The conspiracy crowd likes to talk about the body count of mysterious deaths associated with the assassination, but what about the body count of just being a mid-level Mafia soldier in the 1960s? Most of those guys were probably dead or in jail by the mid-70s.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

the conspiracy crowd wishes it were in an espionage film. there's nothing to any of the theories.

gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

"the conspiracy crowd wishes it were in an espionage film"

so did Oswald

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

there's nothing to any of the theories.

So then, why did Jack Ruby whack Oswald?

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

it was, most likely, the confluence of a twisted, batshit assassin meeting an increasingly nutty small-time hustler, wannabe mafia guy who saw a chance to be an impressive big shot (ih his also-twisted mind). people like to point to coincidences and irrational behavior as evidence of a greater conspiracy, but let's face it: crazy people do stupid shit all the time. sometimes they do it to each other, in public, on TV.

gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

no mafia guy is gonna tell jack ruby, "hey you're unbalanced and nuts, let's give you the oswald gig. promise not to tell whodunit?"

gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Gear OTM. Gerald Posner's 'Case Closed' is a gd debunking of the conspiracy theories.

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Gerald Posner's 'Case Closed' is a gd debunking of the conspiracy theories.

There's a fair amount of errors in Case Closed though, which make it about as useful as the pro-conspiracy books. Posner is a dick forever though for his famous post-9/11 "focus and clarity" editorial in the Wall Street Journal where he reversed his opinion on Bush II and came out in support of him.

Still, I would have liked to have seen of his debates with Vincent Bugliosi.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Dale Scott's book on Kennedy is really interesting

xave (xave), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

'i am wrong about bush'

and what (ooo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Dale Scott's book on Kennedy is really interesting

-- xave (sl...), September 14th, 2006.

Deep Politics and the Death of JFK?

i agree, it's an interesting read.

for me, the most plausible scenario is the one discussed in this book:

Live By the Sword by Gus Russo

it more or less argues for Oswald acting alone, but creates context for his motivations.

here's the forward from the book for good measure.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

"The fact that many of the conspiracy theorists have been able to produce convincing evidence of their suspicions does not seem to trouble many people. The plausability of a conspiracy is less important to them than the implauability of someone as inconcequential as Oswald having the werewithal to kill someone as concequential — as poweful and well-guarded — as Kennedy. To accept that a random act of violence by an obscure malcontent could bring down the president of the United States is to acknowledge a chaotic, disorderly world that frightens most Americans. Believing that Oswald killed Kennedy is to concede, as New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis said, "that in this life there is often tragedy without reason"

Kennedy — An Unfinished Life, by Robert Dallek

You could also say much the same about 9/11.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Arse. That first line should say "have been UNABLE to produce evidence..."

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

someone as inconcequential as Oswald

The dude defected to the Soviet Union! Do people forget this? Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.

Kerry Thornley!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, one of the best commentaries on the assassination came from the KGB. There was a "JFK's KGB files" special around the time of the 40th anniversary of the assassination that got into Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In short, the KGB thought he was a crazy plant from the CIA and fed him some useless stuff until they could kick him back out of the country.

Later, the KGB figured that Oswald acted with potential mob help, and that the CIA and FBI didn't care since Kennedy was out of their hair.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

don delillo's libra is absolutely essential on this topic. not as fact, certainly, but in the psychology of the thing.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Kerry Thornley = DISCORDIAN... scary though

Also the dude who wrote a BOOK about Oswald pre assasination!

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Gear OTM here and on the 9/11 thread.

Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

>"The fact that many of the conspiracy theorists have been able to >produce convincing evidence..."

Well, there's no convincing evidence for string theory, yet, and we're not giving up on that.

Berating conspiracy theorists for lacking evidence has always struck me as rather unscientific. You invent hypotheses and then gather evidence, right?, not the other way around. If you totally disregard hypotheses that lack evidence, no one would ever gather evidence and there'd be a moratorium on new ideas.

It's only been sixty years, and that's nuthin. Sometimes it takes centuries to solve a murder.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

yes the truth is that kennedy died on that u-boat

gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

pt-103 whatever

gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I like Ellroy's conclusion in "American Tabloid" - ie, *everybody* did it!

however, Squirrel Police OTFM about the scientific method

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey you did NOT just agree with me. Say it ain't so!

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

"Don't you GET IT?!? DAMN! I can't keep talkin' like this! You guys are gonna kill ME! I'm gonna fuckin' DIE!!"

http://www.btinternet.com/~meirionhughes/Pub/images/jfk-peski.gif

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

45 years ago today

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)

white album 40 yrs old vs JFK assassination 45 yrs old POLL

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:34 (seventeen years ago)

In re: thread title question. The Warren Commission Report was meant to lay the basis for a national consensus.

Obv it failed in its stated purpose. But it came close enough that it achieved its major unstated purpose, which was to quell the national grief and anger and prevent it from spilling into irrational mob action.

Aimless, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:44 (seventeen years ago)

JFK was an inside job - wake up, sheeple!

StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

Or maybe it wasn't and I'm mixing it up with that ninety-one one thing, I'm not sure.

StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

the gunman is shooting from inside his head!

velko, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:58 (seventeen years ago)

thats deep

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:04 (seventeen years ago)

The Wrong Guy, a dark comedy starring Dave Foley, includes a scene of a conspiracy theorist claiming no bullet struck Kennedy, insisting "his head just did that", and calls it "The No Bullet Theory".

Grady: The Myspacee Password Expert (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:04 (seventeen years ago)

OMG! Years later, people constructed urban legends based on that very JFK fact!

StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)

I forgot that the Weekly World News is no more.

u s steel, Sunday, 23 November 2008 14:31 (seventeen years ago)

this should be a poll

Kevin Keller, Sunday, 23 November 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11iuxaeNV1qkuou9o1_1280.jpg

DavidM, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

well, that's certainly something.

thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:32 (fourteen years ago)

its sad he was presidetn

j'en ai cache (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

fighting morbid temptation to post on 'ws of shame' thread

thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

the exit hole is obscured

I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

what is that photo? it cant be genuine as nobody was that close at that particular moment

PSOD (Ste), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:50 (fourteen years ago)

if it weren't for the fact that it occurred during JFK's assassination, that photo would be remembered as the best ass photo for a First Lady.

onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

"Lee Harvey Oswald would have been a very silly internet bro, also what if the pope actually smoked dope!!!"

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:11 (five months ago)

The type of guy who starts a one man “Fair Play for Cuba” group and hands out pro-Castro flyers in Texas is certainly the kind of personality who today would do stunts like handcuffing himself to the Twitter office door or whatever.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:13 (five months ago)

Yes cos we've never had people on the street saying stuff until the last three years or prior to the Kennedy assassination

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:15 (five months ago)

I'm reading Stephen King's 11/23/63 at the moment and very much enjoying it.

Best King novel after he got sober, absolute travesty what they did to it with the James Franco series.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:21 (five months ago)

he thought highly of his own opinions and was keen to share them with strangers - but he didn't have the commitment or the focus to make it in that arena. The internet is full of people like him. He was a big-headed egoist who spent his life convinced he was the smartest person in the room, but every time he tried to apply himself he failed, because he wasn't as smart as he thought

There but for the grace of god.

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:27 (five months ago)

Come on, this guy moved to the Soviet Union on a whim and then came back because it was kind of lame. He would definitely do attention grabbing stunts but didn’t have the follow through to put together an Infowars.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:30 (five months ago)

He’s like those alt-right guys who move to Hungary for the fascism but get disappointed because there are a bunch of rules.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 December 2025 01:32 (five months ago)


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