You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

Superman has killed Zod in the comics, too. Post-Crisis Superman, no less:

Yes, Zod had killed everyone in the alternate universe, and Superman couldn't risk Zod finding a way to his universe and killing everyone there. And then there was lots of guilt stuff (he underwent a kind of personality split, and would, while not being aware of it, become a violent vigilante called Gangbuster (I think. Something like that)) and he decides he's too dangerous for earth and exiles himself.

Dunno if that's the exile he returns from in Superman Returns - would be some odd movie chronology, assuming we're meant to take the films as sequels in time.

seems to have been filmed by an easily distracted child or sentient garden hose

lol

more lolz

Mr. Snyder, with his characteristic lack of subtlety, hits the Jesus angle amusingly hard, primarily in a later scene in which Superman — framed by a stained-glass tableau of a supplicating Jesus draped in a red robe — consults with a priest in a church.

I laughed at that and then remembered that scene actually happened in the movie for real and laughed again.

Okay, that one reads like that parody site's list of plot glitches in "Prometheus II."

Dunno if that's the exile he returns from in Superman Returns - would be some odd movie chronology, assuming we're meant to take the films as sequels in time.

― the so-called socialista (dowd), Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:11 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well Returns is supposed to follow Superman II, so it kinda fits right? Never got around to watching it.

yeah i never saw that one either -- any good?

if you want to see superman act like a dude on maury povich

it's a movie about a guy who fucked his crush, flew away for five years, came back and returned to pining for her behind an alias, oblivious to the fact that he'd knocked her up. when he finds out, he goes back to space.

superman returns has some ardent defenders but i dunno, i just dont get the appeal. maybe i need to see it again

what cracks me up about this new movie is it sounds like they realized they needed more over-the-top action visuals, but wound up with just as off-key a story

I probably brought this up in the thread already but Tarantino claims to have written an extremely long essay defending Superman Returns and considers it a masterpiece

dude also said green lantern was one of his favorite films of 2011

his favorite recent Woody Allen movie is the Jason Biggs one

Superman Returns is okay I guess, but Kevin Spacey is awful as Luthor. Parker Posey is great tho

lol green lantern

spacey's hamming as luthor was one of the few things i enjoyed iirc

superman returns has some ardent defenders but i dunno, i just dont get the appeal. maybe i need to see it again

― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:37 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've read a few new skool critics repping for it based on a lot of factors that seem to have zero to do with nor make up for the energy-free directing and the fact that the brandon routh characterization of superman is basically exhibit A for people who call superman a generally boring superhero.

Liked SR quite a bit, and probably for many of the reasons it "flopped." The scene where his son suddenly acquires his powers and crushes one of Luthor's henchman was incredible, mostly due to its long Kubrickian setup. I doubt this new film will contain anything even remotely equivalent.

wow i saw that movie and i have no memory of anything in it

something about superman watching lois lane walk around her house or something?

The Film Freak Central review confirms every expectation I've had about this since it was announced.

:(

It’s hard to believe that any actor could compete with Terence Stamp’s dandified turn as Zod in the 1978 “Superman,” but Mr. Shannon, delightfully embracing gnashing-teeth villainy, proves one of the new film’s strengths

http://movies.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/movies/man-of-steel-depicts-a-striving-stranger-in-a-strange-land.html?ref=arts&pagewanted=2

Throwing down the gauntlet to Armond, I guess.

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A version of this review appeared in print on June 14, 2013, on page C1 of the New York edition with the headline: Part Man, Part God, All Hunk .
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spacey's hamming as luthor was one of the few things i enjoyed iirc

― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

ya he's perfect casting as luthor! can't imagine any other circa-now actor in that role tbh

Friends of mine took their son to see Iron Man 3 and were surprised how violent it was. I mean, it's innately violent material, but there's a visceral quality to it. That seems to be all that these superhero reboots bring. A lack of innocence reflected in a rise from cartoon violence (baddies get "shot" by laser blast, fall down) to the real stuff. Blood, bullets, broken necks/backs ...

(Henry Cavill, playing Supes as Wolverine)

Michael Shannon would have made a better Luthor than Zod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvkDcrbLP2s

adults not wanting to let go of their childhood superhero stories means we get movies like this to some extent, I think.

Good point. These movies aren't designed for kids but parents with kids. Sort of like when I saw five or six of the "American Idol" tours and they crowds were packed with mom's holding signs in one hand and the hands of bored kids in the other.

Iron Man 3 is a PG-13 movie; I'm not really sure what level of violence ppl yr friends were expecting

These movies aren't designed for kids but parents with kids.

lol these movies are not for kids. no way am I taking my 5 yo to this. or even the Avengers.

We should definitely bring back the whimsical, innocent playfulness of Tim Burton's Batman movies, which featured not one but TWO on-screen electrocutions resulting in charred, smoking corpses, and a woman having acid thrown in her face by The Joker.

plus ca change etc. etc.

they're designed for massive audiences, i.e. everybody

pg-13 sometimes seems to operate as a rating which serves to basically have all the violence except the gaping wounds and arterial spray. definitely more violent movies make it through now than did 15 yrs ago.

ratings system more concerned about peen than about decapitations IIRC

^^^

also f-bombs

G rated films usually can have language beyond polite (i.e. darn, dang, and heck), but never with profanity. PG rated films may have mild profanity (i.e. ass and shit). PG-13 rated films may contain up to four "harsher sexually derived words". However, if a character in a film says a "harsher sexually derived word" (such as fuck) five or more times, it is routine today for the film to receive an R rating, provided that the word is used as an expletive and not with a sexual meaning (this[clarification needed] was mentioned in Be Cool, when Chili Palmer complains about the film industry).[citation needed] There have been two exceptions noted so far: Gunner Palace, a documentary of soldiers in the Second Gulf War, has 42 uses of the word, 2 used sexually,[22] and The Hip Hop Project has 17 uses.[23] In addition, the word "motherfucker" is apparently not allowed to be used even once in movies not rated R, as when it is used, the expletive part is always cut out, usually by a loud sound (e.g., Live Free or Die Hard and Alien vs. Predator). Any explicit and grotesque sexual dialog will require an NC-17 rating.
Additionally, some notable PG films contain uses of the word fuck, including Big, Beetlejuice, Terms of Endearment and All the President's Men. The former two were released in 1988, four years after the PG-13 was introduced, whilst the latter two were originally rated R for language, but their ratings were overturned on appeal.[24]

Superman Returns is okay I guess, but Kevin Spacey is awful as Luthor. Parker Posey is great tho

otm. otm. otm. Kevin Spacey was totally miscast. Posey is always great.

otm. otm. otm. Kevin Spacey was totally miscast.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, June 14, 2013 4:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU

how in the world was kevin spacey miscast, its like, almost the perfect role for his face & voice & personality. house of cards dude is basically lex luthor

of all the problems with that movie, Spacey is pretty low on the list imho. and I don't even like Spacey generally.

I don't know, it was all so earnest, and then Spacey comes in and he's Spacey and every he does and says has some kind of underlying snarky attitude to it that really clashed w the mood of the rest of the movie.

i burnt out on spacey as an actor cuz he always plays these know-it-all shitheads... but thats perfect for luther

http://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Lex-Luthor-Gene-Hackman.jpg

H4A otm

ya exactly