You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

good point. Superman Returns tried too hard with the Superman 2 baggage

Yeah, stuffing a movie full of those worked real well for Bryan Singer.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/how-hit-movies-become-flops

Colloquially, I don't remember anyone really liking the Singer Superman, but ^^^ article says otherwise.

BY MATT SINGER

hmmmm

I enjoyed it somewhat for nostalgic reasons. I really don't feel the need to see this one though. What the heck is that costume made of, alligator skin or something?

it has the texture of fruity rollups

WADERPANTS | JUNE 13, 2013 12:11 AMREPLY

Why does no writer ever reference audience reviews from Rotten Tomatoes?
Check Superman Returns 67% from audience. Batman Begins 90%. Man of Steel 97%.
Remember... Critics don't buy tickets, fans do. Returns was a beautifully filmed, but boring movie. Only scene in the film that felt like Superman was him saving the airplane. Stalker Superman was just creepy.

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Stalker Superman was just creepy.

Yes, this is when it turned from boring movie to terrible movie.

Jesus Superman is the worst, seriously

Hoo boy. I only skimmed this spoiler-heavy review from Wired, but from what I did read it sounds like all my worst fears about a Snyder Superman were entirely justified: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/06/man-of-steel-movie-review/Grim, Violent Man of Steel Sells Superman’s Soul for Spectacle">=http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/06/man-of-steel-movie-review/Grim, Violent Man of Steel Sells Superman’s Soul for Spectacle

Sorry, buggered the formatting there :(

I don't know, there are thousands of movies that throw in a Jesus reference maybe it's ok for a movie about a man with godlike powers whose entire life is dedicated to saving people.

xps http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/06/man-of-steel-movie-review/

SUCKER. Heart attacks are for chumps. Spoiler: in Man of Steel, Jonathan Kent is killed by a suitably cinematic tornado, twenty feet from his adopted son, who simply stands by and watches.

Hah, does this really happen?

Returns took the Jesus thing way too far

then again who knows, maybe a movie with Jesus Christ lifting mountains and punching aliens in the face might be totally awesome

I'd rather see that movie than Sadface Superman.

The movie does end with a military official admitting that Superman's "kinda hot."

Mitigating factor: it's a female military official.

So not zeitgeist.

In case it’s not obvious from the preceding paragraph, Superman straight-up kills a guy in Man of Steel. He also pretty much commits genocide, or at least heavily and knowingly abets it, although I’m genuinely unsure that the filmmakers realized the latter part, or that they considered it a moral event horizon more significant than—spoiler—snapping the neck of his Kryptonian nemesis, General Zod.

lol enjoy your shitshow, suckers

wow, that tornado thing sounds dumb. I guess it's to make Superman more like Spiderman, where it's like "he COULD have saved him!" But I think it's sort of central to the Superman concept that Pa Kent's death is something he couldn't do anything about no matter what - this reminder that even for this God-man there are just hard limits, people will die, you can't save everyone. I remember it being done really brilliantly in Morrison's All-Star Superman, which overall would make a great template for a Superman movie. (I know they made an animated one, but still.)

xpost wow this movie sounds bad

Almost sounds like Snyder's going "Yeah, see, if Watchmen was MY idea from the start..."

I know they made an animated one, but still

this is surprisingly good! that particular issue/storyline is not in it though

Superman has killed Zod in the comics, too. Post-Crisis Superman, no less:

The first Zod to be introduced following Crisis on Infinite Earths was the Zod of a Pocket Universe; this allowed for a "Kryptonian" Zod to be introduced while maintaining Superman's status as the last of his race in the universe proper. This Zod came from a Krypton in a pocket universe created by the Time Trapper. He (along with companions Quex-Ul and Zaora) devastated the Earth of that universe following the death of its Superboy, despite the best efforts of a Supergirl created by this world's heroic Lex Luthor. Eventually, the survivors of this world managed to contact the Superman of the main universe to help them, and he was able to take away the powers of the three super-criminals with Gold Kryptonite (since he was not from that universe, the Kryptonite of that reality would have no effect on him). However, as the three vowed to some day regain their powers and return to Superman's world to kill him, acknowledging that he couldn't afford to leave them on the now-dead pocket Earth to let them die on their own or try and imprison them on his world, Superman was forced to execute them with Kryptonite.[4]

he appears to kill Zora in the Superman II too (throws her into a crack in the Fortress of Solitude iirc) but that's kinda not as bad as the whole GENOCIDE thing

we can debate the morality of death-by-kryptonite and death-by-neck-snapping, the latter seems a bit more viscerally violent imho but whatevs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqBO0Cluv_o

most reviews saying it's spectacular but un-fun. needs more Richard Pryor in a pink shawl ski-ing off skyscrapers.

i feel this movie is going to revolt me on every level

So you're going tonight, then?

I can't understand anyone over 35 going to see this Zod when Terence Stamp's Zod exists.

it's like some dope "rebooting" Wrath of Khan and casting Judi Dench as Khan.

oh idk Michael Shannon's presence is about the only thing I find appealing

Yeah, Michael Shannon is not the problem here.

Amy Adams is no Margot Kidder, more like.

shan-zod is gonna be the hotness, p. pumped

http://superman.rossiters.com/images/s2_510-01_480.jpg

they should have brought terrence stamp back in a "the limey" style for this one, with supes featuring only tangentially

kneel before zerg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cHljx-Zkw

they should have brought terrence stamp back in a "the limey" style for this one, with supes featuring only tangentially

"You tell Jor-El I'm fucking COMING!"

Would watch.

Superman has killed Zod in the comics, too. Post-Crisis Superman, no less:

Yes, Zod had killed everyone in the alternate universe, and Superman couldn't risk Zod finding a way to his universe and killing everyone there. And then there was lots of guilt stuff (he underwent a kind of personality split, and would, while not being aware of it, become a violent vigilante called Gangbuster (I think. Something like that)) and he decides he's too dangerous for earth and exiles himself.

Dunno if that's the exile he returns from in Superman Returns - would be some odd movie chronology, assuming we're meant to take the films as sequels in time.

seems to have been filmed by an easily distracted child or sentient garden hose

lol

more lolz

Mr. Snyder, with his characteristic lack of subtlety, hits the Jesus angle amusingly hard, primarily in a later scene in which Superman — framed by a stained-glass tableau of a supplicating Jesus draped in a red robe — consults with a priest in a church.

I laughed at that and then remembered that scene actually happened in the movie for real and laughed again.

Okay, that one reads like that parody site's list of plot glitches in "Prometheus II."

Dunno if that's the exile he returns from in Superman Returns - would be some odd movie chronology, assuming we're meant to take the films as sequels in time.

― the so-called socialista (dowd), Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:11 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well Returns is supposed to follow Superman II, so it kinda fits right? Never got around to watching it.

yeah i never saw that one either -- any good?

if you want to see superman act like a dude on maury povich

it's a movie about a guy who fucked his crush, flew away for five years, came back and returned to pining for her behind an alias, oblivious to the fact that he'd knocked her up. when he finds out, he goes back to space.

superman returns has some ardent defenders but i dunno, i just dont get the appeal. maybe i need to see it again