You Want Superman Revamp? [Also the Man of Steel (2013) thread]

it's weird tho bc queenan didn't used to be insane i don't think

the vigilantes are finally welcome now that dirty harry is gone

http://manofsteelresources.com/

Not all superheroes are Republicans, but most of the movies are. Republicans, that is.

http://www.charlierose.com/images_toplevel/content/11/1153/clip_11531_460x345.jpg

"Superhero movies are made for a society that has basically given up. The police can't protect us, the government can't protect us, there are no more charismatic loners to protect us and the euro is defunct. Clint Eastwood has left the building. So let's turn things over to the vigilantes."

uh, Eastwood freq played a vigilante w/ a badge

othwise Queenan otm

also stop going to these fucking movies

Man of Steel didn't sexualize Superman enough.

the vigilantes are finally welcome now that dirty harry is gone

― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:23 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

lol i was gonna say

I guess Dirty Harry did manage 3 weeks at #1, after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1971_box_office_number-one_films_in_the_United_States

But so did And Now for Something Completely Different.

I'm more amazed that said Monty Python film did that well!

I just seriously don't get how someone can decry the fascistic potential of the superhero-as-savior concept and in the same breath lament that "there are no more charismatic loners to protect us." What is he even asking for?

wait, who's saying that

"Superhero movies are made for a society that has basically given up. The police can't protect us, the government can't protect us, there are no more charismatic loners to protect us and the euro is defunct. Clint Eastwood has left the building. So let's turn things over to the vigilantes."

I know it was already quoted twice but since you asked

Dirty Harry was not a "vigilante" as such. He was a pissed-off cop, and after the first movie he was a very by-the-book kind of guy. Magnum Force is about him stopping other guys from doing just what he did in Dirty Harry!

Paul Kersey in Death Wish was a vigilante.

Yeah, he's saying the lament is coming from the audience he's attacking here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/The_outlaw_josey_wales.jpg/220px-The_outlaw_josey_wales.jpg

guy looks pretty lawful to me

DJP: no prob, i spaced and missed it both times... i need more sleep

that queenan piece is such a bummer, weird to see him be so muddled and earnest about a subject he was so entertainingly flippant about 20 years ago

Seriously, tho. Man of Steel is so unbelievably boring.

I'll take divisive over pleasant.

From whatever third stringer is handling tentpole reviews now that all the good people left The AV Club:

Man Of Steel eschews the usual trappings of Superman stories—right down to the word “Superman,” which is uttered only once. There’s no Lex Luthor, no Kryptonite, no glasses, no mild-mannered reporter, very little Daily Planet, and even less Metropolis.

Yeah, stuffing a movie full of those worked real well for Bryan Singer. Why would Nolan and Snyder avoid them?

good point. Superman Returns tried too hard with the Superman 2 baggage

Yeah, stuffing a movie full of those worked real well for Bryan Singer.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/how-hit-movies-become-flops

Colloquially, I don't remember anyone really liking the Singer Superman, but ^^^ article says otherwise.

BY MATT SINGER

hmmmm

I enjoyed it somewhat for nostalgic reasons. I really don't feel the need to see this one though. What the heck is that costume made of, alligator skin or something?

it has the texture of fruity rollups

WADERPANTS | JUNE 13, 2013 12:11 AMREPLY

Why does no writer ever reference audience reviews from Rotten Tomatoes?
Check Superman Returns 67% from audience. Batman Begins 90%. Man of Steel 97%.
Remember... Critics don't buy tickets, fans do. Returns was a beautifully filmed, but boring movie. Only scene in the film that felt like Superman was him saving the airplane. Stalker Superman was just creepy.

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Stalker Superman was just creepy.

Yes, this is when it turned from boring movie to terrible movie.

Jesus Superman is the worst, seriously

Hoo boy. I only skimmed this spoiler-heavy review from Wired, but from what I did read it sounds like all my worst fears about a Snyder Superman were entirely justified: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/06/man-of-steel-movie-review/Grim, Violent Man of Steel Sells Superman’s Soul for Spectacle">=http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/06/man-of-steel-movie-review/Grim, Violent Man of Steel Sells Superman’s Soul for Spectacle

Sorry, buggered the formatting there :(

I don't know, there are thousands of movies that throw in a Jesus reference maybe it's ok for a movie about a man with godlike powers whose entire life is dedicated to saving people.

xps http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/06/man-of-steel-movie-review/

SUCKER. Heart attacks are for chumps. Spoiler: in Man of Steel, Jonathan Kent is killed by a suitably cinematic tornado, twenty feet from his adopted son, who simply stands by and watches.

Hah, does this really happen?

Returns took the Jesus thing way too far

then again who knows, maybe a movie with Jesus Christ lifting mountains and punching aliens in the face might be totally awesome

I'd rather see that movie than Sadface Superman.

The movie does end with a military official admitting that Superman's "kinda hot."

Mitigating factor: it's a female military official.

So not zeitgeist.

In case it’s not obvious from the preceding paragraph, Superman straight-up kills a guy in Man of Steel. He also pretty much commits genocide, or at least heavily and knowingly abets it, although I’m genuinely unsure that the filmmakers realized the latter part, or that they considered it a moral event horizon more significant than—spoiler—snapping the neck of his Kryptonian nemesis, General Zod.

lol enjoy your shitshow, suckers

wow, that tornado thing sounds dumb. I guess it's to make Superman more like Spiderman, where it's like "he COULD have saved him!" But I think it's sort of central to the Superman concept that Pa Kent's death is something he couldn't do anything about no matter what - this reminder that even for this God-man there are just hard limits, people will die, you can't save everyone. I remember it being done really brilliantly in Morrison's All-Star Superman, which overall would make a great template for a Superman movie. (I know they made an animated one, but still.)

xpost wow this movie sounds bad

Almost sounds like Snyder's going "Yeah, see, if Watchmen was MY idea from the start..."

I know they made an animated one, but still

this is surprisingly good! that particular issue/storyline is not in it though

Superman has killed Zod in the comics, too. Post-Crisis Superman, no less:

The first Zod to be introduced following Crisis on Infinite Earths was the Zod of a Pocket Universe; this allowed for a "Kryptonian" Zod to be introduced while maintaining Superman's status as the last of his race in the universe proper. This Zod came from a Krypton in a pocket universe created by the Time Trapper. He (along with companions Quex-Ul and Zaora) devastated the Earth of that universe following the death of its Superboy, despite the best efforts of a Supergirl created by this world's heroic Lex Luthor. Eventually, the survivors of this world managed to contact the Superman of the main universe to help them, and he was able to take away the powers of the three super-criminals with Gold Kryptonite (since he was not from that universe, the Kryptonite of that reality would have no effect on him). However, as the three vowed to some day regain their powers and return to Superman's world to kill him, acknowledging that he couldn't afford to leave them on the now-dead pocket Earth to let them die on their own or try and imprison them on his world, Superman was forced to execute them with Kryptonite.[4]

he appears to kill Zora in the Superman II too (throws her into a crack in the Fortress of Solitude iirc) but that's kinda not as bad as the whole GENOCIDE thing

we can debate the morality of death-by-kryptonite and death-by-neck-snapping, the latter seems a bit more viscerally violent imho but whatevs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqBO0Cluv_o

most reviews saying it's spectacular but un-fun. needs more Richard Pryor in a pink shawl ski-ing off skyscrapers.