haha sorry j. i guess im saying its schrodinger's tony soprano.
― ryan, Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:04 (ten years ago) link
But who killed him? The main problem with the final episode is the lengths it goes to to get to that 'schroedinger' state. Like, sort of resolving the war, but then perhaps not quite, but then not really giving any reason as to why it would go on. Also I think the preceding scene with junior, exploring what is quite honestly the best cause scenario for Tony, is that much more chilling than the death-anxiety of the end. It should just have ended with junior saying 'that's nice'. Cut to black. imo.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:17 (ten years ago) link
There isn't one truth about Tony's fate. That's kind of the whole point of the open ending; of any open ending for that matter. We've all been on the ride up to that final cut off point. Tony indeed is like Schrödinger's Cat: he is both dead and alive. All depends on your conviction.
To me he wasn't killed, but I can see why others think he was killed.
― Random ACRB.PNG Memories (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link
you don't have to pick one
― spade ventura (wins), Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
He's totally dead.We totally didn't need to see it happen.It totally doesn't matter who deaded him.He's totally dead.S1ocki otm.
― Home Despot (WilliamC), Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
― spade ventura (wins), Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^ This, also.
― Random ACRB.PNG Memories (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb9sge3iji1qc3wjlo1_500.jpg
― Random ACRB.PNG Memories (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
The problem is, I don't think any of the possible interpretations of the final scene are very good. Then it doesn't matter how many there are.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 8 June 2013 20:47 (ten years ago) link
― spade ventura (wins)
thirded
― balls, Saturday, 8 June 2013 21:38 (ten years ago) link
what kind of weak-ass arguing about tv is that
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link
of course you dont HAVE to have an interpretation, but i do!
(and it is the correct one)
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:52 (ten years ago) link
Either way, the show's over, so that's the end of (for) the characters.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 9 June 2013 04:43 (ten years ago) link
well this is fucking comprehensive and obsessivehttp://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/
― how bad could it be to be stuck to the couch, forever... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 7 July 2013 14:16 (ten years ago) link
yah he died
― lag∞n, Sunday, 7 July 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link
100% he did
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 7 July 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
I am glad he got whacked off-camera, despite all the violent deaths in the show I couldn't handle seeing Tony's shell opened up.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 7 July 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah that interpretation seems so plainly correct that i feel dumb for not seeing it the first time through.
tony getting whacked due to carelessness and hubris (as opposed to being eternally plagued by paranoia) makes sense given his character, as it's consistently established throughout the show that he keeps surviving/staying out of prison largely out of pure luck, luck that is bound to run out and that kept dwindling as the show went on.
― slam dunk, Sunday, 7 July 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link
the fact that the cut black lasts however long it does before the credits begin—meaning the blackness is PART of the episode, not the end of it—basically says it all
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Sunday, 7 July 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link
love the patsy parisi theory, and the idea of the mikey palmice "3 o'clock" warning from beyond the grave is grade A.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 8 July 2013 04:47 (ten years ago) link
Definitely makes a sound case. I need to work my way through all the episodes again though, whenever that happens, to see how I feel the second time.
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
I read that before I saw the last season, so I was fully expecting it to be the truth, but I don't think it holds up. If we're just supposed to think that he dies, then the rest of the episode does an awful job of making that seem like a good ending. It's such a mess, really.
― Frederik B, Monday, 8 July 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link
it's a GREAT ending!
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 8 July 2013 21:03 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's brilliant
― kinder, Monday, 8 July 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link
I've said this just recently, but by itself, the final scene is a brilliant piece of filmmaking. It doesn't fit with the rest of the episode.
― Frederik B, Monday, 8 July 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link
Haven't watched it since it aired, but I remember being halfway through the last episode and wondering why they were spending time introducing us to AJ's new girlfriend.
― lols lane (Eazy), Monday, 8 July 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link
It is a great ending in the manner in which it spares you all the standard bathos of the death scene and the aftermath, don't need to see Tony going into the light or having flashbacks before he kicks the bucket. Seen it before in countless movies and it would detract from everything about Tony which makes the series good. Don't want want to see him defeated and gurgling blood on the deck, he has been whacked and The Sopranos is finished.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 8 July 2013 22:41 (ten years ago) link
where is my night in white satin armour?!?!
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 13:16 (ten years ago) link
New interview:
http://www.indiewire.com/article/television/sopranos-creator-david-chase-discusses-the-unknown-facts-of-the-show-and-its-infamously-ambiguous-finale
― That's So (Eazy), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
Uncle Junior: What are we, children? Anyway, at our age it's enough surprise we're still alive every morning.
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
another piece of evidence for the tony is dead theory (which is true), is that david chase has always said he'd never do a sopranos sequel, but that he might be open to a prequel. PRETTY BIG HINT THERE>
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
well yeah
of course there's also one other major impediment to a sequel now
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 May 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
They could just get Patton Oswalt to substitute.
― That's So (Eazy), Friday, 2 May 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
I think there is a lot to be said for Gilligan's approach as a show-runner as opposed to Chase's rampant egotism and it isn't like he has done anything worthwhile since The Sopranos. That 60's movie was such rinse.
― under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Friday, 2 May 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link
"show-runner"
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 2 May 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
Well I just read that awful Difficult Men book, that is the term they use.
― under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Friday, 2 May 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
term has been commonplace since I heard it used re The Simpsons, like, 15 years ago
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 May 2014 21:53 (ten years ago) link
is it awful? my friend gave it to me.
― socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 3 May 2014 05:30 (ten years ago) link
and im familiar with the term, its just one of those things that bugs me
I just started watching this from Ep 1 for the first time and it's amazing and I love it.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, 3 May 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
I'd say the same abt Mad Men bt I can't work out what thread to say it in
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
mad men definitely doesn't belong in the same conversation as the sopranos, that much is for sure
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
Oh don't let's start
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
considering it explores some of the same themes, it's written by one of the sopranos guys, and chase had a great deal w/ getting it on the air i'd say it belongs in the same conversation
― balls, Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:29 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and yet...here it is!!!!
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Apparently Weiner's film is awful too. At least Terence Winter has Wolf of Wall Street and, uh, the 50 Cent movie
― Number None, Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, May 3, 2014 11:59 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
don't read anything in this thread.
― socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 3 May 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Weiner's film is bad? :(
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 3 May 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
And yeah that ws just a "I too am freshly watching an iconic recent TV show" post, bt it does have some relevance
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 3 May 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
"is it awful? my friend gave it to me."
Awful is way harsh, the Chase and Weiner chapters are quite illuminating, the Burns/Simon chapters are dull and worthy, kind of like watching Treme.
― under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Saturday, 3 May 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link