I think I'm nice!
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:29 (ten years ago) link
I'm just a truth teller
you are the darkness inside of all of us
― iatee, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:29 (ten years ago) link
I am Shiva, destroyer of words
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link
you are a weak version of a tired archetype but it's cool to have you on board
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link
Thank you, Spiral!
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
he's probably expecting some legal action ala manning or assange.
― Mordy , Friday, June 7, 2013 10:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok you undersand that manning already is going to be in jail for decades and if he's convicted on the other charges he could be in jail for life.
so no i don't think greenwald would 'welcome' this?
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
well, Manning leaked the information whereas Greenwald benefitted from a whistleblower. Now's the time to wonder whether Eric Holder will keep to his week-old promise not to prosecute journalists who publish this sort of intel.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
why did you put the word welcome between apostrophes?
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
What was the thread where I defended the appointment of former "corporate lawyers" to regulatory positions and said that I knew big firm lawyers who were further left than any of my other friends, and I got mocked for it?
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), F
Not sure you got mocked for it (Supreme Court thread maybe re Obama corporate law, Bush admin. attorney nominee for DC Circuit)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 June 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Andrew Sullivan <>Date: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:31 PMSubject: Re: glenn greenwaldTo: "Kaufman, Leslie" <
I count Glenn as an honest blogger whose passions in real time can sometimes lead to misreadings of others. But we're all vulnerable to that in the blogosphere, and in our various spats, I've always enjoyed the give-and-take, rather than resenting some of the occasionally unfair barbs. They come with the territory. But once you get into a debate with him, it can be hard to get the last word. A friend described debating him as like engaging with a rhetorical trampoline. But I actually enjoy rhetorical trampolining, as long as no one gets hurt too much. I do not take anything he writes about my work personally.His passion is a great antidote to the insidery access-driven village of Washington journalism, but at times, I think he has little grip on what it actually means to govern a country or run a war. He's a purist in a way that, in my view, constrains the sophistication of his work.Yes, we're friends. We've hung out a bit, and are bonded by a couple of things. He relies on readers for much of his income (and I rely on readers for all of mine) - and has made online debate much sharper in many ways. I've benefited from his criticism, even as I remain to his "right." And he is forced to live abroad with his partner David because the US refuses to acknowledge the validity and dignity of bi-national gay couples. I was in that exact position for a long time with my American husband - and our shared experience matters a lot to me. Our husbands have also bonded over the same issue.And I genuinely like him as a human being.you can use any all or none of thatcheersandrew
― hector_doepos, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I think thats a good reading of GG... ^^^
"ugh, the worst, right? anyway, i just really wanted to share this lustrous takedown of him from some guy's blog i don't know:http://jacobinism.blogspot.co.il/2013/05/drooling-self-love-dime-store-third.html"
Mordy's initial post is terrible.. incredibly biased.... clearly GG doesn't fit into 'defend the indefensible'
― hector_doepos, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
that jacobinism article.... is ... just.....
so who leaked the NSA stuff?
― akm, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
As Mr. Greenwald tells it, the last decade has been a slow political awakening. “When 9/11 happened, I thought Bush was doing a good job,” he said. “I was sucking up uncritically what was in the air.”
This surprised me but it explains a lot - the zeal of a convert.
Wish the thread title was changed too.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
Corner ites often allude to Greenwald's past.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
So Sully knows how to run a country and start a war eh
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
^my thoughts exactly
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
xp Oh great, what splendid company to be in.
David Simon weighs in - "bullshit" apparently
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
Allow for a comparable example, dating to the early 1980s in a place called Baltimore, Maryland.There, city detectives once began to suspect that major traffickers were using a combination of public pay phones and digital pagers to communicate their business. And they took their suspicions to a judge and obtained court orders — not to monitor any particular suspect, but to instead cull the dialed numbers from the thousands and thousands of calls made to and from certain city pay phones....All of that — even in the less fevered, pre-Patriot Act days of yore — was entirely legal. Why?Because they aren’t listening to the calls.
There, city detectives once began to suspect that major traffickers were using a combination of public pay phones and digital pagers to communicate their business. And they took their suspicions to a judge and obtained court orders — not to monitor any particular suspect, but to instead cull the dialed numbers from the thousands and thousands of calls made to and from certain city pay phones.
...All of that — even in the less fevered, pre-Patriot Act days of yore — was entirely legal. Why?
Because they aren’t listening to the calls.
i distinctly remember mcnulty listening in to the actual calls
― Z S, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
considering the many year existence of the israel suck it thread, i think you guys can deal w/ the title of this thread
― Mordy , Friday, 7 June 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G4LXzA6PezQ/TpnXosoh0CI/AAAAAAAAACM/v1_-8N10W_U/s1600/DEAL-WITH-IT.jpg
― waterface, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Hmmm the title of that thread is "Israel TO WORLD: 'Suck it!'" not "Israel, suck it!" but OK.
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Friday, 7 June 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
that was herc and prez!
― j., Friday, 7 June 2013 18:07 (ten years ago) link
@ggreenwald: I'll be on with Anderson Cooper tonight discussing the various disclosures, along with . . . Ari Fleischer.
― polyphonic, Friday, 7 June 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
hah
― lag∞n, Friday, 7 June 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
david simon can suck it
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 7 June 2013 23:37 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald's local roots.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 June 2013 02:35 (ten years ago) link
panicked libertarians and liberals and Obama-haters
sort of thought simon was above this tbh
― k3vin k., Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
there are some cheap shots in there but also some good points? idk i thought it was interesting
― flopson, Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
simon isnt really above anything, his shows are real good but as an essayist he p belligerent and awful
― lag∞n, Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:38 (ten years ago) link
the belligerent parts of that were so funny tho
― flopson, Saturday, 8 June 2013 22:47 (ten years ago) link
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, June 7, 2013 7:37 PM
OTM x10
― now is not the time for motorboating (dandydonweiner), Saturday, 8 June 2013 23:11 (ten years ago) link
shit, I forgot that GG practiced apartheid and wholesale slaughter.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 June 2013 06:49 (ten years ago) link
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 8mDear NYT: no matter how often you call us "British site," it won't stop being factually false. Rise up above those petty resentments.
emptywheel @emptywheel 5m@ggreenwald But you're still a loner. Admit it.
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 2m@emptywheel Will you be my friend, Marcy?
lol
― lag∞n, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
David Simon is the rich man's Buzz Bissinger.
― polyphonic, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
Calling the Guardian a "British news site" is hilariously petty coming from the NYT
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link
http://twitter.com/edwardsnowden
― markers, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
"Yes, I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me. Or any of the third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads. Any of their agents or assets," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
This guy hiding out in HK really underscores how fucked we are.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
True.
I wonder if he is still in HK though? The interview was taped three days ago, he might have moved?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 9 June 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
He's in Hong Kong. He's living a Zevon song.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 June 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
send bloggers, guns and money
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Sunday, 9 June 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link
so snowden peaced out
disappear or disappeared?
#teamedward
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
Hayes Brown @HayesBrown 5mRep. Peter King just blatantly called for @ggreenwald's arrest on Fox News. Amazing.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
Greenwald cohort seem to possess a belief that only the rich or privileged can be evil, and a weird almost autistic inability to recognize cultural or ideological (non-economic) fascism. OTOH, fuck Rep. Peter King.
― MV, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
you're right, focusing on your area of expertise as a writer clearly means an 'autistic' lack of interest in anything else
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
Weird almost autistic inability to read a sentence?
― MV, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link
Which Greenwald cohort? Snowden? Where does he (or whichever "cohort" you are talking about) express views as you suggest? Can you flesh out your varying types of fascism argument?
Maybe I missed something upthread.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link
Cohort is a plural, curmudgeon.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link