defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

Jesus Christ Mordy

is there any doubt? i'm sure he'd love to confront the US government head on and in the public eye.

you're right mordy, what a ridiculous person

the opposite of silly i'd think. such a confrontation would be very good from his pov.

*obama drone strikes glenn greenwald's brazilian sex mansion, leaving only a charred pair of cargo shorts*

[glenn greenwald in Macklemore - thrift sthop voice] This is fucking awesome

lol

i'm sure any government response won't involve dropping a drone on glenn, and i don't think that's what he's expecting. he's probably expecting some legal action ala manning or assange.

more likely some kind of sex crimes charge

if you can't imagine why he'd want to get involved in a public legal battle w/ the united states government i think you don't really get glenn greenwald

ya if he goes to jail he'll be a national celebrity / reddit martyr etc

Guys, only Mordy "gets" Glenn Greenwald

what if waterface were gleen greenwald

The only way Gleen Gleenwald is going to jail is if the fashion police arrest him for his corgi shorts.

walderface

i don't really "get" waterface - does it have a point?

waterface is a personification of all the bile and assholishness on ilx over the last decade, if everyone just started being nice to each other waterface would just disappear

nah man you can't pin him down. he's a slippery one, that waterface.

Being at the center of a debate is a comfortable place for Mr. Greenwald, 46, who came to mainstream journalism through his own blog, which he started in 2005. Before that he was a lawyer, including working 18 months at the high-powered New York firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, where he represented large corporate clients.

What was the thread where I defended the appointment of former "corporate lawyers" to regulatory positions and said that I knew big firm lawyers who were further left than any of my other friends, and I got mocked for it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/whistleblowers-and-leak-investigations

I think I'm nice!

I'm just a truth teller

you are the darkness inside of all of us

I am Shiva, destroyer of words

you are a weak version of a tired archetype but it's cool to have you on board

Thank you, Spiral!

he's probably expecting some legal action ala manning or assange.

― Mordy , Friday, June 7, 2013 10:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok you undersand that manning already is going to be in jail for decades and if he's convicted on the other charges he could be in jail for life.

so no i don't think greenwald would 'welcome' this?

well, Manning leaked the information whereas Greenwald benefitted from a whistleblower. Now's the time to wonder whether Eric Holder will keep to his week-old promise not to prosecute journalists who publish this sort of intel.

why did you put the word welcome between apostrophes?

What was the thread where I defended the appointment of former "corporate lawyers" to regulatory positions and said that I knew big firm lawyers who were further left than any of my other friends, and I got mocked for it?

― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), F

Not sure you got mocked for it (Supreme Court thread maybe re Obama corporate law, Bush admin. attorney nominee for DC Circuit)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andrew Sullivan <>
Date: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: glenn greenwald
To: "Kaufman, Leslie" <

I count Glenn as an honest blogger whose passions in real time can sometimes lead to misreadings of others. But we're all vulnerable to that in the blogosphere, and in our various spats, I've always enjoyed the give-and-take, rather than resenting some of the occasionally unfair barbs. They come with the territory. But once you get into a debate with him, it can be hard to get the last word. A friend described debating him as like engaging with a rhetorical trampoline. But I actually enjoy rhetorical trampolining, as long as no one gets hurt too much. I do not take anything he writes about my work personally.
His passion is a great antidote to the insidery access-driven village of Washington journalism, but at times, I think he has little grip on what it actually means to govern a country or run a war. He's a purist in a way that, in my view, constrains the sophistication of his work.
Yes, we're friends. We've hung out a bit, and are bonded by a couple of things. He relies on readers for much of his income (and I rely on readers for all of mine) - and has made online debate much sharper in many ways. I've benefited from his criticism, even as I remain to his "right." And he is forced to live abroad with his partner David because the US refuses to acknowledge the validity and dignity of bi-national gay couples. I was in that exact position for a long time with my American husband - and our shared experience matters a lot to me. Our husbands have also bonded over the same issue.
And I genuinely like him as a human being.
you can use any all or none of that
cheers
andrew

I think thats a good reading of GG... ^^^

"ugh, the worst, right? anyway, i just really wanted to share this lustrous takedown of him from some guy's blog i don't know:
http://jacobinism.blogspot.co.il/2013/05/drooling-self-love-dime-store-third.html";

Mordy's initial post is terrible.. incredibly biased.... clearly GG doesn't fit into 'defend the indefensible'

that jacobinism article.... is ... just.....

so who leaked the NSA stuff?

As Mr. Greenwald tells it, the last decade has been a slow political awakening. “When 9/11 happened, I thought Bush was doing a good job,” he said. “I was sucking up uncritically what was in the air.”

This surprised me but it explains a lot - the zeal of a convert.

Wish the thread title was changed too.

Corner ites often allude to Greenwald's past.

So Sully knows how to run a country and start a war eh

^my thoughts exactly

xp Oh great, what splendid company to be in.

David Simon weighs in - "bullshit" apparently

http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/

Allow for a comparable example, dating to the early 1980s in a place called Baltimore, Maryland.

There, city detectives once began to suspect that major traffickers were using a combination of public pay phones and digital pagers to communicate their business. And they took their suspicions to a judge and obtained court orders — not to monitor any particular suspect, but to instead cull the dialed numbers from the thousands and thousands of calls made to and from certain city pay phones.

...All of that — even in the less fevered, pre-Patriot Act days of yore — was entirely legal. Why?

Because they aren’t listening to the calls.

i distinctly remember mcnulty listening in to the actual calls

considering the many year existence of the israel suck it thread, i think you guys can deal w/ the title of this thread

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G4LXzA6PezQ/TpnXosoh0CI/AAAAAAAAACM/v1_-8N10W_U/s1600/DEAL-WITH-IT.jpg

Hmmm the title of that thread is "Israel TO WORLD: 'Suck it!'" not "Israel, suck it!" but OK.

i distinctly remember mcnulty listening in to the actual calls

that was herc and prez!

@ggreenwald: I'll be on with Anderson Cooper tonight discussing the various disclosures, along with . . . Ari Fleischer.

hah

david simon can suck it

Greenwald's local roots.

panicked libertarians and liberals and Obama-haters

sort of thought simon was above this tbh

there are some cheap shots in there but also some good points? idk i thought it was interesting

simon isnt really above anything, his shows are real good but as an essayist he p belligerent and awful