Someone on jez pointed out that this woman was in fact killed for NOT providing sex for money. So basically for acting according to law.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 7 June 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
I have a vague impression that escort services are allowed to exist because they ostensibly only provide social company. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that's not all they offer, but she was within the bounds of her job description in that case.
― lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 7 June 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
May as well put this here (being asked to cover up isn't sexist, but the content is re sexism)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22875243
― kinder, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/cheats/2013/06/18/vice-offends-with-suicide-fashion-spread.htmlhttp://jezebel.com/vice-published-a-fashion-spread-of-female-writer-suicid-513888861
― goole, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
what the fuuuuuuck
― ttyih boi (crüt), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
I don't mean to be the dude who always asks "why do people read Vice" but...
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
Be that dude.
If only they'd balanced it up with a "male writer about to drink himself to death" fashion spread.
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
i keep thinking vice is 'better' now with mcinnes gone but then
they do run stuff that's worth reading amid the hipster degeneracy. not that i have an example in mind.
― goole, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
otoh witness the phenomenon of vice pulling the feature and then tina brown and jezebel running all the pictures that needed to be pulled
― goole, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
Did the Jezebel article come before or after the feature was pulled?
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
that was actually more nauseating than I thought it would be
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
DJP i dunno but it looks like before
― goole, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
I mean jfc one of them has blood running into the sink from the woman's wrist, those are fucking upsetting. I feel like you would have to be a sociopath to think that was a good idea.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
they should've included some male suicides: HST, Hemingway, DFW, Kosinski
― Mordy , Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
It seems to me that there is a certain level of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" to complaining about these things, where if you don't propagate the offensive material, the context of your complaint isn't as strong and, if the offending material is removed, people coming to it later won't know exactly what it is you are objecting to. However, if you do propagate the offensive material, you are opening yourself up to "who's the REAL racist/sexist?" dismissals as well as potentially traumatizing people who would have avoided the original posting regardless.
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
DFW (someone whose memory is still fresh in many people's minds) would have really thrown into sharp relief what a shockingly horrible idea it was
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
I'm often the only dude in a group of people trying to defend Vice a lot of the time, but, really, fuck 'em.
Yeah, I've done some "at least Jim Goad isn't still writing 'Slavery Wasn't THAT Bad" pieces anymore" stuff, but - they're all just so gross.
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
fucking vice
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:03 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they included iris chang, whose son christopher is only eleven years old. it really should have been clear at that point, if not before.
― data halls and oate (stevie), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
In this case, jez posting a few of the pics kept me from going to Vice's site and giving them the page views just in case I wanted to get an impression of the spread for myself.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
jesus what the fuck
xp
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Even their apology sucks
The fashion spreads in VICE magazine are always unconventional and approached with an art editorial point-of-view rather than a typical fashion photo-editorial one. Our main goal is to create artful images, with the fashion message following, rather than leading.
‘Last Words’ was created in this tradition and focused on the demise of a set of writers whose lives we very much wish weren’t cut tragically short, especially at their own hands. We will no longer display ‘Last Words’ on our website and apologize to anyone who was hurt or offended.
"We were being edgy and cool. Sorry you squares couldn't handle it, but we humored you and took it down."
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
could go in passive aggressive notes thread imo
yeesh
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
even as far as VICE's editorial direction w/r/t fashion -- this wasn't even a proper fashion spread, it was just ready-to-wear clothes styled as period costuming
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not going to say "if it was executed better it would be less problematic" but the lack of cohesion and near complete absence of fashion really underlines the basic awfulness of the concept
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
"Who's the REAL racist/sexist" discussions should be pretty simple if one of the choices is Vice, though.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
haha I don't think anyone here disputes that
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
I think the bigger problem with this than sexism is the complete failure to comprehend what a dark and horrible subject suicide is and how common it would be for their readers (let alone the living family of one of their subjects!) to have been touched by it. But there is definitely sexism in the idea that this would somehow be a "sexy" thing to portray wrt women, whereas I don't think they would have done it with men.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
i thought it was kinda dope.
― dylannn, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
I love that the biggest companies in the world throw baskets of money at Vice and there's never any repercussions for any of the awful shit they do
― PappaWheelie on the zeitgeist (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i thought it was p cool
― Lamp, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
i get why it's kinda fucked up but portraying the suicide of artistic figures in a sexy way is a grand tradition!
― dylannn, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
To market clothes you mean?
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
a woman pointing a gun into her own mouth, yeah so sexy
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
to market authenticity
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://img1.etsystatic.com/009/0/6786151/il_570xN.432714737_8jqu.jpg
― dylannn, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
fashion editorials aren't really 'marketing'
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
its not really supposed to be sexy? i think its mostly sort of lazily 'commenting' on like vogue photo shoots where tobey maguire and carloyn murphy pretend to have been in 'rear window' and then some empty gesturing towards meaning that doesnt work the minute you start thinking about it, so its sort of lol if you look at other fashion photo spreads and sad if you think about someone saying 'art editorial' out loud at any point. but also it just seems kinda sad to care about this at all really, unless you are a blogger that gets paid to care about stupid stuff like this
― Lamp, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
I think "people in the process of killing themselves" is a problem, and "women, and only women, in the process of killing themselves" is a problem in an even bigger and probably blinking font. Women's bodies: again just a prop to sell clothes, a look, a magazine, now with 100% more violence and in fact the violence is being done to them by themselves, and that's before even going to the terrible well of these being real people with living children and relatives.
― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
its not really supposed to be sexy? i think its mostly sort of lazily 'commenting' on like vogue photo shoots where tobey maguire and carloyn murphy pretend to have been in 'rear window' and then some empty gesturing towards meaning that doesnt work the minute you start thinking about it
uh it's a commentary of the medium of fashion editorials? lol gtfo
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
nothing like being above it all
― goole, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
and in true jezebel fashion every image is saved without warning for posterity and page clicks
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
I really need to see these objectionable, depressing images to get my ire going.
― mh, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
but also it just seems kinda sad to care about this at all really, unless you are a blogger that gets paid to care about stupid stuff like this
― Lamp, Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Or if you, I dunno, had had family members or close friends who killed themselves, or tried to, that might be a reason to care about it.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
or if you're suicidal
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
noisey or w/e the music commentary part of vice puts up good stuff sometimes
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
or if you think the destruction of women is horrifying (xpost)
― ttyih boi (crüt), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
feel like "suicidal female artist is a trope in this society, everybody can point to a few immediate examples if they were asked to. [the corollary 'suicidal male artists' are allowed to be an exception rather than the rule.] it's definitely not something worth glamorizing, and that draws i think from the larger subject of suicide itself, unless you're gonna dress up in a frocked petticoat and call yourself werther.
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
"
(sorry)
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link