just want a roof over me head, enough to eat and internet access, don't see why i've got to join some kind of Stakhanovite death cult just so's i can live
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:31 (thirteen years ago)
what's really dispiriting is i'm pretty sure i'm not smart enough or fit enough to live like this but loads of other feckers seem to manage it
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:34 (thirteen years ago)
i work in education and we had to do a swot analysis for my school! it was an unfamiliar concept, but i guess it helped us formulate our strategic plan? or something like that? i haven't thought of it as something that was all that terrible, iirc. just kinda came and went, just like students do from one semester to the next. not long enough to get under my skin.
are you required to espouse/wield some sort of managerial jargon for your job? or are you on the receiving end of the jargon?
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:35 (thirteen years ago)
i am trying to work out why i'm here and how i can be more effective, partly because of a course i'm required to complete
i notice a lot of these management gurus were born in Austria in the early 20th century
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:37 (thirteen years ago)
i gotchado you know what they want to hear?
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:38 (thirteen years ago)
i don't think i've got it in me to lie that boldly? not right now.
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:39 (thirteen years ago)
Ppl that do well at this def treat it as an rpg.
But wtf stay away from business or mgmt do something clean like tesco or kitchen porter or bowling lane attendant.
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:39 (thirteen years ago)
just blather and unnecessary abuse of stationery, feel like this is what working is except they're all in on some secret rule and nobody clued me in
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:40 (thirteen years ago)
btw am applying for a job as a REVENUE AUDITOR in another tab, partly cos i get to sharpen my teeth on irish business ppl
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:41 (thirteen years ago)
go for it. i'm a 44 year-old baby.
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:44 (thirteen years ago)
i am totally unfamiliar with this world of business, but i guess this is what they mean by soul crushing. i'm sorry. i hope soon you get a little fight back in you and engage in some epic bullshitting on this report.
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:47 (thirteen years ago)
the worst of it is i'm supposed to be in education
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:51 (thirteen years ago)
is this a remedial/"developmental" exercise or one that everyone is required to do in order to prove their worth/survive?
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, 3 June 2013 13:57 (thirteen years ago)
management qualification. i was stupid enough to think i could improve things, didn't realize the idea was to fit in to the way everything works now.
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:06 (thirteen years ago)
so you are going for a promotion?
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:11 (thirteen years ago)
nah i am supposed to line manage a small team, because everything is crazy i then do the qualification to demonstrate that i can manage a small team. i'm quite happy with my ability to manage people - more or less - but the qualification is all about business management
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:17 (thirteen years ago)
ah ok, then i say it's total horseshit and you should lie your head off all the way through it like a champ. just plow through it with bs! it will feel good to know you can learn a new language even if you don't like it very much.that's how i feel about accreditation reports. i hate it, but when i can pull it off, i can go hehehe to myself.
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, 3 June 2013 14:20 (thirteen years ago)
Otm. I do think that the bs culture of "management" tends to have a disastrousqp effect on the entirely unrelated practice of, yknow, actuality managing ppl. I've been doing grunt work for t€$¢o for most of my 20s, I don't think I could negotiate that world if I tried. Have an interview next week with a biotech company (a difft kind of grunt work, I don't know anything about science) and it took me a week and lots of booze just to write my cv & cover letter, it was such a foreign register to me. I don't think "this is what work is" at all, I think it's something that we have to grit our teeth thru & then get back to getting as much fulfilment as we can from our grind (which can be a fair amount!)
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:26 (thirteen years ago)
some of us lucked out and got desk jobs in the public sector tbrr
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:28 (thirteen years ago)
Typos galore but it took me ages to type that on my phone & the sun is in my eyes and pub blowhard is talking about killing paedos xp
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:29 (thirteen years ago)
I don't think I would like a desk job daz. But then I've never had one, unless (ugh) telesales counts
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:32 (thirteen years ago)
ah i'm just whining as per. sick of other people's foibles and sick of the wrong attention being paid to the wrong part of the job and sick of management gorillas beating their chests and trying to out-alpha the underclass and sick of being told to care about it
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:33 (thirteen years ago)
disengage, take the cheque, mouth the formulas, get out of there at five and read a nice book or w/e
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:38 (thirteen years ago)
- repeat until dead?
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:41 (thirteen years ago)
a reminder that job!=existence
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:44 (thirteen years ago)
That seems to be the deal xp
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:46 (thirteen years ago)
16 hours off every day, and 24 at the weekends. analyse it appropriately and it's a p good deal tbfh
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:51 (thirteen years ago)
What % of yr waking life is that tho
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:52 (thirteen years ago)
Ask the sheepfuxors
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 16:56 (thirteen years ago)
I mean I work weekends and have a 9hr day but
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:00 (thirteen years ago)
NV, I have a lot of trouble not getting angry about this stuff, especially 'competencies' (what happened to skills and knowledge?) and risk registers. A lot depends on how seriously everyone else takes it. If very seriously, that has a major impact on how seriously I take *them*. If not, happy to play the game to please the powers that be, and spend as little time on it as possible.
In a previous job one of our 'competencies' was 'If A then B thinking'. Imagine not having progressed to Level 2 in that. Bumping into walls, stepping off ledges...
― ljubljana, Monday, 3 June 2013 17:02 (thirteen years ago)
Xp Yeah see now that is not the good stuff, tho tbh tesco had a good bit to recommend it
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:05 (thirteen years ago)
I have developed a mild appreciation of management science stuff over the last three or for years of being managed by someone who explicitly rejects it and prefers to govern by decree.
It can be a moderately useful way of ordering your thoughts, analysing your decisions and making yourself accountable, if done properly. Of course it can also be used to obfuscate and make yourself less accountable though.
― хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:39 (thirteen years ago)
You can use a shovel to plant flowers or to bash some skulls in
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:54 (thirteen years ago)
Poll
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:57 (thirteen years ago)
ok I wasn't able to expand earlier cause wifi in the pub was rub but personally darragh I think it's a bad deal; to me "the dignity of labour" is bunk and like any sane person if a comfortable retirement were dangled in front of me right now I would step on a panda's face to get at it. I mean given the choice only a rube would spend most of their waking life (yes I haven't done the sums but it's 5 days to 2 right?) at work, and that applies equally to lugging crates around for t€$¢o and whatever white-collar thing you do.
but like I say, that's the deal, and I think you can extract a modicum of fulfilment from it (and I think "engage" is a better strategy than "disengage" as long as you do it on ur own terms)
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 20:00 (thirteen years ago)
Idk i agree with u but for conclusion?
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 20:04 (thirteen years ago)
take what you can get? so a combo of my "get the max from ur grind" and ur "get thru it & go read a book" I guess
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 20:09 (thirteen years ago)
nothing to add but I am nodding my head in recognition over here in the corner at many things itt
(gotta write some SMART objectives of my own this week for my annual review next week. expecting to get in trouble for various reasons most of which are my fault, or the fault of these stupid mental blocks I should be grown-up enough to work around. dammit)
― susuwatari teenage riot (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 3 June 2013 20:16 (thirteen years ago)
it's not really the ridiculous language's fault i guess. i just have no personal or career goals that don't involve being somewhere else doing something else.
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:11 (thirteen years ago)
and i'm the only one who can do anything about it so i should stop kvetching and take my independence and my small personal fortune and get out there and make something of my future
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:13 (thirteen years ago)
attaboy
applied for two countem two jobs today rahh
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:56 (thirteen years ago)
I watched the last 3 eps of I Claudius and edited my OkCupid profile *fist pump*
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:01 (thirteen years ago)
i caught three tics exactly of i claudius the other night i sez to herself i sez here i've heard of this and look yerman from lord of the rings is the lead what harm we'll watch it and jesus it was fucking rope that's my cred fucked round here for the week
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:03 (thirteen years ago)
haven't touched my okc profile in months, logged in for the first time in ages cause I got a "you've been chosen!" email, apparently someone called bux0mh0bbit rated me 5 stars, no lie :-/
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:07 (thirteen years ago)
does she look like a hobbit
― ghosts of erith spectral crackhouse slain rudeboy (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:09 (thirteen years ago)
not enough
― too busy s1ockin' on my 乒乓 (wins), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:11 (thirteen years ago)
anyroad
i can see some overlap but some not here tbh, i mean firstly even @ 9hrs pd x 5 that's 45/168 which isn't really all that bad a deal to keep a wolf from a door, as long as the work aint killing you slowly, historically speaking. yeah sure you can rack off another say 56 hrs of sleep from that time if you like, but personally i fuckin loooove sleeping and i think it fair to include it as 'me time' rather than writing it off as benefitting some vague creditor to be resented. if we split the difference it's 83/168 hours allowing for commute and ablutions if you consider those another onerous duty impeding yr eternal spirit (see the first entry in 'what's happening to our borad tmi' for my thoughts on that tbh) which is happily giving you (allowing for no other duties lol parents sorry u guys) half of your time as a productive member of society as pure profit.
im not buying any dignity of labour shite either, but participating in the system (and it is far from the worst system that has yet been devised afaict from a vague scan of history) to that extent as a bare minimum still seems like a p sweet deal, viewed as objectively as i can. taking fred taylor as our managerial theory/worklyfe starting point (as many modern texts are wont to do, more's the pity) as opposed to the top of maslow's pyramid (ironically, if the egyptians had lionised the loftier concepts of maslow's thinkings as they are often applied to the organisation of labour we'd never have had any pyramids but that is another thread) then even the likes of a tesco gig isn't too bad of a starting point (my brother is there oh shit maybe ten years at this stage, and i rocked the check polyester myself from 2004-2007 around and after college).
i think i digress tbh, but really i might take slight and companionable issue with the alignment of 'disengaging' as accepting a bad deal at work vis a vis one's personal tolerance and requirements financially, mentally and balancing everything else one looks for in an existence- it was really more in the spirit of turning off one's wider and loftier critical faculties and shifting in listchecker, boxticker mode once you find yourself on whatever clock ticks to the beat of your hourly wage. can't say as that it gives on the huge sense of satisfaction that was promised in the leaflets for tertiary education/secondary education/primary education or wherever you got your hardwiring from, but tbh and only personally speaking here, it has served better than the wallowing i engaged in for a few years before/while finding and completing a shitty college course. some buddhist-lite notion of 'don't go looking for shangri-la as a place of employment, that shit'll drive you mad'
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:23 (thirteen years ago)
tl;dr
fuck's sake don't look to get your fulfilment from work are you soft in the fuckin head son
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:24 (thirteen years ago)
i think it's more a case of "ok this isn't gonna be fulfilling" but it acts as just enough of a banal energy-sapping soul-crushing headfuck to negate most of yr other chances for finding said fulfillment. and i think it gets worser as you get older
― Doctor Who's on first (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:27 (thirteen years ago)