i do think that article is sexist though, because it presupposes a contradiction between seeing someone as sexy and seeing someone as an intelligent, autonomous person, which is a deeply weird thing to think.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
He's trying to police himself for sexist behavior, but his "cure" is even more problematic.
― Moodles, Thursday, 30 May 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
IDK none of it struck me as too weird, but then I did grow up Mormon with the "just imagine Jesus" advice ruining my own early sex life. I think 'try not to have a constant pornographic internal movie projector about every woman you come in contact with' may be a reasonable goal (or clumsy first step?) if you are trying to see all women as people. Writing about it is kind of goofy but everyone's a fucking navel-gazer these days, even if the topic isn't usually gazing at others' navels.
― I wish every slot machine had EAT THE RICH printed on it (Crabbits), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
Like just thinking about my interactions with random men throughout the day, I never walk away thinking, "I hope that guy thought I was witty and kind AND that he wants me to choke on his cock," like really just the former would be ideal. I wouldn't think a guy was sexist if he skipped the second part! (NB I defs don't spend my days trying to fill in others' internal monologues, esp re: me.)
― I wish every slot machine had EAT THE RICH printed on it (Crabbits), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
haha
I thought it was weird that he was talking about how tormented he felt about his idle sex fantasies at the beginning of the piece, to the point where he calls a sex addict hotline, and then finishes up by going to a pool full of bikini-clad coeds and a mostly female yoga class. It was kind of like "I think I might be an alcoholic; I'd better drink these beers to make sure."
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
i know it takes all kinds in life, but, i feel like a dude who calls himself 'beta' anything has internalized feminism in kind of an odd way
mostly this dude just seems like a dullard
― goole, Thursday, 30 May 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
xpost to crabbits. hm, i wasn't thinking that his passing fantasies were that explicit. but i guess maybe that was implied by his use of the word "pornographic". i guess i don't know what goes on in his head, and i can agree that certain thoughts -- if they become obsessive, and overwhelm normal functioning -- could be an issue. he seemed to be describing just like, being struck by the hotness of various women around him.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
When I was in Yeshiva in high school (~10-12th grade) I had a close friend who "struggled" w/ masturbation and used to consult with one of the Rabbis privately to get inspiration/strength to break the habit. Later he had a sexual relationship with another student when they shared a two-person dorm room together. Afaik that was the event that created the policy that the Yeshiva wouldn't put 2 students in the same dorm room alone (only 1, or 3 or more).
― Mordy , Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
that sounds so humiliating, to have rabbis and classmates know about one's masturbation habits.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
It's hard to be discrete about masturbation in a dorm room situation.
― Mordy , Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
Denmark's 'naked lady' TV show causes furore
― Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
"Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!" "Women's bodies thirst for men's words!"
kill everyone
― crüt, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah this show seems insanely sexist and horrible.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcroztE5jq1qf56dmo1_1280.jpg
― Mordy , Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
Last week during a segment on breastfeeding, the host of the Dutch Saturday night show, Langs de Leeuw, suggested he would like to try breast milk.An audience member offered him some milk she had expressed but host Paul de Leeuw told her he would rather take it from its source and suckled both her breasts on live TV.
An audience member offered him some milk she had expressed but host Paul de Leeuw told her he would rather take it from its source and suckled both her breasts on live TV.
what the fucking fuck
― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
whaaat
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
that's not real
― walk in the room they throwin Sade left to right (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 May 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh wow, it is real
― walk in the room they throwin Sade left to right (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
32.Phill7 Hours agoI honestly don't see how this can be taken as sexist.Yes, men are looking at women's bodies but a man's brain is wired to marvel in the delicate shapes and details of a woman. At no point is anyone saying that these woman are only good to be gawked at, in fact it's a show dedicated to indulging the desire to look without rudely staring.Where's the harm in that?
I honestly don't see how this can be taken as sexist.
Yes, men are looking at women's bodies but a man's brain is wired to marvel in the delicate shapes and details of a woman. At no point is anyone saying that these woman are only good to be gawked at, in fact it's a show dedicated to indulging the desire to look without rudely staring.
Where's the harm in that?
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
it's just how a man's brain is wired
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
if they could get their brains rewired y'know it'd be different but they can't
so sad, all the ladies yell at the poor men and the men can't even help it it's just how they are ;_;
― walk in the room they throwin Sade left to right (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
it's wiring. wiring is very tricky.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
how else are they going to appreciate all the delicate shapes and details
― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/super_internet_yellow_wall.jpg
one big wire
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
daub daub
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Friday, 31 May 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
This is absolutely maddening and makes me want to switch genders out of sheer embarrassment: http://jezebel.com/if-comedy-has-no-lady-problem-why-am-i-getting-so-many-511214385
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link
Re: the story about the Dutch talk show host and the breast milk, Paul de Leeuw is apparently a) very openly gay and b) kind of a creep:
During a 2008 episode of Mooi! Weer De Leeuw, a vegan streaker wanting to draw attention to animal suffering managed to enter the sound stage. His body was covered in slogans such as "Stop animal suffering" and "Meat is murder". De Leeuw stopped security from escorting him from the stage in order to talk with him. De Leeuw proceeded to pull the man onto his lap and started poking at his underwear, insisting on "seeing his meat". As the man stood up, De Leeuw pulled down and eventually ripped off his underwear, saying, "then you must properly streak; off with those briefs."The streaker later filed a police report, although the molestation charges have since been dropped. Some parents were shocked by the incident as the show was targeted at families as well.[2][3]
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
Let me be clear: I don't believe that previously non-Jihad mosque members are going to take to the streets in a terror mob after hearing one anti-Western sermon. That's an absurd and insulting mischaracterization. But I do believe that Islam's current permissiveness around cavalier, cruel, victim-targeting fundamentalist theologies contributes to (that's contributes—not causes) a culture of young men who don't understand what it means to take this stuff seriously.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
so "the West" is an analogous victim to "women"...
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Good move derailing the sexism thread to your pet topic, Mordy, should go well, A+++++ would read again.
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link
It's not a derail. I'm questioning a prevalent assumption of how 'cultures' work.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
can you make your "questioning" a little more direct and less muddled please?
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
i don't believe there is any connection between jim norton or anthony jeselnik making jokes about rape and its occurrence in the population.
― Mordy , Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
I don't believe there is any connection between UK newspapers publishing anti-Semitic cartoons and its occurrence in the population.
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Also nobody is claiming a connection between rape jokes and the prevalence of rape anyway so
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
isn't that the essential claim of the 'rape culture' argument that west is making?
― Mordy , Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
Let me be clear: I don't believe that previously non-raping audience members are going to take to the streets in a rape mob after hearing one rape joke. That's an absurd and insulting mischaracterization. But I do believe that comedy's current permissiveness around cavalier, cruel, victim-targeting rape jokes contributes to (that's contributes—not causes) a culture of young men who don't understand what it means to take this stuff seriously.
I'm not saying. I'm just saying.
I don't see where in that paragraph it says "which leads to an x% increase in the number of rapes"
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah that's not at all the claim she's making.
― hashtag sizzler (Phil D.), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
Essential or otherwise.
even if that's an argument you believe in mordy, you do understand you're defending the guys telling rape jokes for money right?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
He's well aware.
― ...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
Also, while it's conceivable, I suppose, that there could be a rape joke that doesn't actually express hostility toward women, most rape jokes seem to do so in practice. It's sort of like how if a comedian makes a joke about black people that portrays them as hateful and subhuman, the defense that it's "just a joke" doesn't really pass muster, because the "joke" expresses a real, hostile feeling about black people.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
Like some jokes, in spite of being jokes, sort of require the audience to agree on a certain pretext in order to see the "humor," e.g. that black people are an unwelcome presence, or that women deserve punishment (if not literal rape) for behaving in a way that seems above their station in life.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
louis and carlin have pulled it off but yeah, it's not like a red badge of courage or something. and the comedy central kids being discussed here don't manage to pull this shit off with any panache period
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think there's an across-the-board rule re: rape as subject matter. as Oscar Wilde might say, there are good/funny/well-constructed jokes about rape and there are bad/unfunny/poorly-constructed jokes about rape and that is all. Jokes where an innocent victim is the punchline are, generally speaking, not funny, and I think West is OTM about how they function in relation to the larger culture.
― Mr. Scarf Ace is Back (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
I think a good rule of thumb for "funny" rape jokes might be to ask yourself "Am I Louis C.K.?"
If the answer is no, better not to attempt.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
louis has done rape jokes as bad as anyone else
― ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
fair enough -- I haven't even heard them, was just assuming they would be better
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 22:24 (eleven years ago) link