jace is one of the better ones but ajani isn't insane nor does he protect jace
― ciderpress, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:32 (thirteen years ago)
i had a nutty game at FNM back during M13 draft where i ultimated my ajani for one (1) cat token in order to chump block to stay alive, then won the game like 5 turns later after an insane series of draws
― ciderpress, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:35 (thirteen years ago)
I had a board stall w/ ajani out and that itself was kinda more fun than the actual win because you could feel my opponent getting more and more nervous
― iatee, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:37 (thirteen years ago)
one of my opponents last night ultimated ral zarek against me, and i think i would have won the game if he had got 0 or 1 turn (he got 3)
― ciderpress, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:38 (thirteen years ago)
was that in limited? I've still never seen it happen
― iatee, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:39 (thirteen years ago)
isn't m13 jace like an auto win
― frogbs, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:44 (thirteen years ago)
it's a 2-3 turn clock but doesn't interact w/ the board at all so if you're losing by a lot it's not gonna help
― iatee, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:50 (thirteen years ago)
tis true but it's definitely one of those cards I haven't won against or lost with
what is the most ridiculous Limited planeswalker? I'd say Gideon
― frogbs, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:55 (thirteen years ago)
vraska and m13 jace are both better than gideon I think
― iatee, Saturday, 25 May 2013 23:58 (thirteen years ago)
gideon jura is on the pack rat shortlist for sure. basically if you play it with blockers up and aren't way way behind, you win. at least M12 had oblivion ring, but in ROE apparently there were basically 0 outs to it.
new gideon is pretty mediocre in comparison
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:00 (thirteen years ago)
yeah the old Gideon was just a nightmare
Vraska is very good but definitely not on that level. it's just a Lux Cannon that starts with some counters.
― frogbs, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:04 (thirteen years ago)
o I thought you were talking about new gideon
my magic knowledge between urza's destiny and m13 is pretty spotty
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:05 (thirteen years ago)
iatee go read gideon jura and then try to imagine beating it ever
i think its probably better than pack rat
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:05 (thirteen years ago)
haha yeah that seems pretty good
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:11 (thirteen years ago)
i'm glad its gone from standard now if only because i don't have to deal with people saying 'come at me bro' all the damn time when they +2 it
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:12 (thirteen years ago)
lmao
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:13 (thirteen years ago)
yeah lol
i had liliana and garruk in my M13 sealed qualifier for the MOCS and just cleaned up - it was actually the first time i'd ever cast a liliana of the dark realms in a game of magic and i was really impressed w/it. admittedly it was in an pretty great b/g control deck that could actually use her +1 (i also had a mutilate). that was the only time i've ever had two plainswalkers on the table in the same game of limited
― Lamp, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:22 (thirteen years ago)
i had 2 boggart arsonists in play once
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:27 (thirteen years ago)
too good
― Lamp, Sunday, 26 May 2013 00:32 (thirteen years ago)
this one's for you iatee
http://i.imgur.com/GKFhMbx.jpg
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:25 (thirteen years ago)
split cards are far//away, turn//burn, and toil//trouble
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:26 (thirteen years ago)
im glad this is someone else's saturday night
― Lamp, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:28 (thirteen years ago)
that's pretty sweet. how did you do?
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:29 (thirteen years ago)
3-0, most games weren't really close. fluxcharger is pretty insane, its like a leveled up nivix cyclops
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:42 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, hits for 5 with evasion, can block basically anything
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:46 (thirteen years ago)
incursion specialist works pretty well in that build too. did you think about including devour flesh?
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:49 (thirteen years ago)
i swapped it in for mizzium skin every match i think. i figured i had enough removal and was worried about my threat count but my opponents were all creature heavy and removal light (probably how i got so much in the first place)
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:55 (thirteen years ago)
i normally like mizzium skin quite a bit though since it's almost like a 1 mana split card - it can blow out an expensive removal spell or trade for a guy in combat
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:58 (thirteen years ago)
its got a ton of utility for the cost is what i'm trying to say
― ciderpress, Sunday, 26 May 2013 03:59 (thirteen years ago)
yeah it's def underrated in general and obv great in this build
― iatee, Sunday, 26 May 2013 04:01 (thirteen years ago)
devour flesh is even better the more removal you have
― frogbs, Sunday, 26 May 2013 05:02 (thirteen years ago)
btw Teysa is as much a bomb as Aetherling, talk about a nightmare
― frogbs, Sunday, 26 May 2013 05:07 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/ZwodaK1.jpg?1
triple DGM draft is dumb; i'm playing it cuz i get to make the stupid "archetypes" like this with relatively unfettered access, and cuz i pulled voice of resurgence last time around.
the other 3xDGM archetype i wanna do is the nivix cyclops one, where you spam nivix cyclops, maybe fluxcharger, then riot piker with hidden strings and other terrible instant/sorceries. it blasted my last gate deck out of the water. but really though, hidden strings on riot piker with nivix cyclops out is actually so nasty. ay
― beetlejuice mane (fennel cartwright), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 03:09 (thirteen years ago)
DGR 3-0 draft deck #5:http://i.imgur.com/l8F5Iqe.jpg
i'm getting better at reading the table in this format, though i also want to try some experiments in forcing colors/archetypes since i suspect the sets are deep enough that you can do that successfully if you plan well
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 03:58 (thirteen years ago)
also i still hate the 'bad' 2-drops including all 3 of the ones in that deck but they're really not as bad as i expected them to be at the start of the format
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 04:03 (thirteen years ago)
ooof I just had one of *those* games - game 3, turn 18 or so, I have 2 cards left in deck (playing Esper), opponent at 4, me at 12 - among other things I have an Alms Beast, a 5/8 Bane Alley, a Tower Drake with Knightly Valor and Guardian of the Gateless and Inaction Injunction vs the 3/3 reach Mossdog and an Archweaver, he's got an army of Centaurs, blah blah blah, I have Fall of the Gavel and Avenging Arrow in hand, I just know there's a way I can win this before I get decked but it takes me a full 3 minutes to figure it out. Only the solution involves me not playing a land but grabbing a Plains back from the Bane Alley. Sadly I played an Island as soon as I drew it out of habit because I knew I wasn't going to Bane Alley it. Sure enough everything plays out perfect for the other guy and he winds up alpha striking, forcing me to lose the Drake to cover damage and having just enough out to leave himself at 1 when all is said and done thanks to Alms Beast. Frustrating.
had Aetherling that draft too, and yeah he's stupid good
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 04:41 (thirteen years ago)
It's cool that they added DGM Phantom Sealed queues, but I'm kind of bummed that there's no more GTC or RTR queues. It's going to be a pain in the butt to accrue GTC and RTR packs for draft now.
― Moodles, Friday, 31 May 2013 02:30 (thirteen years ago)
yes
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 31 May 2013 02:36 (thirteen years ago)
well this block structure has been weird but generally the updated block format replaces the old one so this is just standard operating procedure - everything should be paying out in all 3 types of packs though
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 May 2013 02:46 (thirteen years ago)
I'm not really sure what to make of DGM sealed. I got an extremely awkward pool of cards with very little clear theme to build off of. Is that the norm or is it just luck of the packs?
― Moodles, Friday, 31 May 2013 04:15 (thirteen years ago)
My opponents seemed to be a bit confused too, so I'm guessing this is what sealed will be like at least for a little while.
I finally got to play with Aetherling, and yes, it is completely ridiculous. I'm a little surprised it isn't showing up more in standard.
― Moodles, Friday, 31 May 2013 05:08 (thirteen years ago)
sounds like the norm for sealed - remember that most MTG formats have 10 or more archetypes in limited and RTR/gatecrash each only really had 5, meaning that you were much more likely to be able to build a cohesive deck in those sealed formats than is normal for sealed
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 May 2013 05:10 (thirteen years ago)
Ah, that's a good point. I haven't played a full block sealed before, so my experience with sealed was mostly colored by RTR and GTC.
― Moodles, Friday, 31 May 2013 05:15 (thirteen years ago)
Also noticed that Ogre Slumlord's ability might be buggy. I chumped with a rat token and it gave me another token.
― Moodles, Friday, 31 May 2013 05:16 (thirteen years ago)
he gives the rats deathtouch so you can't 'chump' with them while he's in play - did your opponent's creature die? that would give you another
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 May 2013 05:18 (thirteen years ago)
I thought you only get rats when your own creatures die. Guess he's better than I realized.
― Moodles, Friday, 31 May 2013 05:34 (thirteen years ago)
so yeah, steep learning curve on ambitions and expectations for dgm sealed. after bombing a couple times i realized that most of the time instead of some fun 3+ colour deck you really want to end up with something that looks more like what you'd have put together for rtr or gtc, i.e. 2 colours and maybe a splash, except it will inevitably be crappier with each guild mechanic much harder to come by. so with my new insight i went from zero to hero, winning with a BW deck splashing green for 2 cards, featuring a grand total of 1 extort card (and 3 populate). i just concentrated on consistency and a good curve, pitched hardly any higher than i would've for an individual set.
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 1 June 2013 05:04 (thirteen years ago)
my previous time out i'd built a deck around trying to get some bigger creatures out quickly. i dropped that 7/5 gruul beastie that makes lands give 2 mana in 2 games - followed in the first by my opponent playing a 15/15 slime molding and in the second dying immediately to debt to the deathless
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 1 June 2013 05:12 (thirteen years ago)
yeah i've still never seen that guy played but word on the street is avoid
― iatee, Saturday, 1 June 2013 05:14 (thirteen years ago)
I think w/ block limited you also have to accept that there is so much variance in what you're opening that you don't need to think of a hard and fast rule. 4c fun might be the right choice in one situation, 2 color boring creatures in another.
― iatee, Saturday, 1 June 2013 05:15 (thirteen years ago)