can't really see Joan finding sycophancy all that attractive in the long run tbh, no way is she going to fall for someone less powerful than her
Hmmm let me think, what recent events in Joan's life might render power unattractive?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:28 (eleven years ago) link
Really couldn't give less of a shit about Don's boring affair by this point. Everything else was great, especially Roger firing Burt, and the whole bunfight in the boardroom.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
finally caught up on this ep
- the more Pete unravels, the happier I get. He's so awesome when he's panicked and flailing. MY MOTHER CAN GO TO HELL...AND TED CAN FLY HER THERE.
- Don's scenes with Lindsay Weir made me genuinely uncomfortable. And I started thinking about how conflicted his 'I grew up in a brothel' backstory has made him as an adult. At least, that's where my mind went. All of his swagger at sweeping women off their feet, the 'art of seduction' he has down pat, and all of his white-knighting women whose wrongs needs righting ie Joan makes him seem from a distance like he's the perfect man, and he thinks that's what makes him a perfect man...and yet there's this gaping chasm of disconnect because of what that 'growing up in a brothel' experience did to his perception of sexual love, when you crack that shell open he's barely a formed adult.
Either that or Don's just a prize-winning douchebag. Mostly that.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link
oh one other great thing about this episode no one's mentioned yet - Pete's brother. their relationship cracks me up
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Pete's mom not realizing her husband is dead, and then her getting the situation with Pete/Trudy completely right followed by an accusation his dad was also using the apartment as a love nest really got me.
― tweeship journey to 77 (mh), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
To me the whole power-play thing seemed like Don grasping at straws and reaching a new low
there were also supposed to be some obvious parallels between Don's actions w/ Lindsay Weir and his power games at the office vs. Ted
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
shouldn't Peggy have been going to have a talk with Ted and not Don? that was a bad look.
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
for those tracking Don's literacy he was reading The Last Picture Show
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I guess if you look at it that way there are lots of power dynamics in that episode. joan possibly being poised to become the more powerful one in a relationship, peggy back under don's control, roger getting a kick out of firing somebody, and pete taking control over his controlling mother.
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
joan possibly being poised to become the more powerful one in a relationship
also the most powerful woman in the office (she's even Peggy's boss) and yet still trying to not get treated like a secretary
speaking of secretary what was up with Dawn going missing ... ?
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
the scene with Bert and Roger was great, I also liked the dialogue between Ted and the guy with cancer
it does seem like Ted is real close to being able to call bullshit on the creative genius of Don Draper. Don's butter ad was so hacky. Ted only thought it was good because he was drunk.
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, assumed this was some kind of weird foreshadowing
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I really liked that exchnage with Ted in the hospital room. hopefully Ted will steel himself to play the long game with Don and come out on top. don's macho shit annoys me.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
That hospital conversation was really interesting. Before that you just see Ted eager and serious about working with Don, but that conversation shows that the competition is still there. But I think it's not as simple as "winning", which the sick art director alluded to, I think Ted generally wants success and just wants to figure Don out. Maybe there will be some power play with Don submitting to Ted, or maybe Don will learn some lessons about not being alpha as the agency changes around him.
What surprised me was the beginning of Peggy's talk to Don, "you never tried to get me back" or something, like that was still an issue. Don's response was funny, "right, we merged these two companies so I could have you in my office complaining again."
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
I got the impression it was more that she was pissed that Don never acted like she existed when she was outside of his office as a human being, let alone as another person in the same business, and now she's supposed to be all hunky-dory and have the same in-office dynamic that she left
― tweeship journey to 77 (mh), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
She's really grown as a person! She was in charge of shit! She bought a home, damn it!
I can sympathize, it's really irritating when you are away from someone for the express intent of growing as a person and they act like nothing's changed when you see them after a stretch.
― tweeship journey to 77 (mh), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
maybe Don will learn some lessons about not being alpha as the agency changes around him.
"I hoped he would rub off on you, not the other way around"
― dmr, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
for those tracking Don's literacy he was reading The Last Picture Show― dmr, Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:20 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dmr, Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:20 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Perhaps foreshadowing his next affair, wherein he relives his farm days by fucking a cow.
― Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
[insert Betty joke]
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
I'm already going to hell, so...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m414n2fiPv1qzg559o1_400.gif
― Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
they referenced dawn several times, peggy heavily complimented her secretarial abilities and ted made a dawn/don joke. pretty sure her not actually appearing was pure budget move.
― balls, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
but they also made a big deal about the fact that she wasn't there.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
that is, not such a big deal that they were concerned, but enough that it was pointed out.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
have to say i'm kind of rooting for bob benson - he's gone from weird bit part to wide-eyed prospective joan lover. it's an inspiration to us all.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
refreshing take on Bob
― tweeship journey to 77 (mh), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
his little trick at the hospital was surely meant to make us like him.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
it's as if the tv is trying to manipulate our feelings
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't work. I still don't like him.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
: 0
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
*folds arms* I remain unmoved by creepy nice bob
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
"the machine... this TELEVISION... speaks. you invite it into your house. it talks to you. and what do you want from it? what anyone wants... no, what EVERYONE wants: to be understood. and if you believe the machine understands you, you believe whatever that machine tells you. and that... that is not manipulation. it's power."/creepy don draper pitch
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
'80s Don Draper @80sDonDraper 13 May
Imagine this: not just one Corey, but two.
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
hahahaha
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
but that whole thing with Ted, I mean I still see sales people do that now. Get the weak guy suuuuuuuuuuuper drunk, and then blind him with your amazingness the next day when he's hungover and he'll forever be your bitch etc etc
am rooting for ted
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
'80s Don Draper @80sDonDraper 12 May
Simon isn't about remembering a bunch of colors and sounds. It's about remembering who we are.
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
okay I'll stop now
yeah don is really reaching new lows. no doubt some weird protective daddy freakout is coming when peggy and ted's romance kicks off too.
― ... (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
i for one welcome our broken down Don Draper
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
Ted has probably flown a plane through a storm with a hangover before.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
Don's becoming the Vega!
― Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Dude's gonna fall apart on the test track.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Actually, the whole season's just leading up to a montage set to "Hey Jude."
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
as they pan over the streets of baltimore
― UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
so here's where i'm a fool for trying to glean something from 'next week on mad men' but has don ever had his dick whitman face on at work before? also apparently stan and rog will have a scene together - maybe they go on the road!
― balls, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
also kinda wondering if/when sally's gonna get something to do this season or if she's just gonna be on the sidelines dishing out sass.
― balls, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
ty balls
― on the sidelines dishing out sass (suzy), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
seems like we're due another Betty/Sally plot soon
― Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
so far they've depicted ted as a pure mensch (sure, he's in love w/ peggy, but in the terms of the film I don't think we're supposed to judge him for that) -- I wonder when he'll do something awful
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
it could be that the child actress playing sally is focusing on school or something, it happens.
also yeah when a character is missing and it's not a major part of the plot i usually assume it's a budget issue. although they managed to bring back the same actress playing pete's secretary after many episodes.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link