hours and hours of practicing, sitting in a tin can flying around the world, playing your same songs over and over, and when you're done you get drugs & groupies.vshours and hours of training, floating in a tin can high above the world, come back and you get to meet Nixon.
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:29 (eleven years ago) link
xp true
better than acid though?
I always felt bad for the dudes that didn't get to leave the capsule and walk on the moon, but I wonder if it's really so much about standing on a barren rock, or just about seeing the earth from a distance?
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago) link
would have loved to meet nixon! drugs i pretty much have covered. groupies i guess i could handle a few more of.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:31 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure it's a spectrum. like if you'd asked michael collins what he really really wanted in his own personal heart, considerations of the mission aside, i can't imagine him he was totally fine with not walking on the moon. but the trip's not nothing.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:32 (eleven years ago) link
*can't imagine him SAYING etc
drugs i pretty much have covered
you wouldn't if you were an astronaut!
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha, xp: as for acid, of course ideally it would have been in their little suitcases instead of that freezedried ice cream
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:36 (eleven years ago) link
don't all those space dudes end up being super bummed out, like life-long, at never getting to go back to space? or is that just some thing i saw in a movie or something.
― j., Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
ringo can never write Octopus's Garden again
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago) link
The idea for the song came about when Starr was on a boat belonging to comedian Peter Sellers in Sardinia in 1968. He ordered fish and chips for lunch, but instead of fish he got squid (it was the first time he'd eaten squid, and he said, "It was OK. A bit rubbery. Tasted like chicken.")[2] Then the boat's captain told Ringo Starr about how octopuses travel along the sea bed picking up stones and shiny objects with which to build gardens.[3]
this will never happen again
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 05:59 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I'd rather talk to music dudes than space dudes..
― Mark G, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
even if you got to do it through a helmet com, while you were in space?
because you don't get to do that with music dudes.
― j., Tuesday, 14 May 2013 06:18 (eleven years ago) link
which beatle and which member of moon crew?
― ^ sarcasm (ken c), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
^ George Harrison and Harrison Schmidt.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 08:13 (eleven years ago) link
Schmitt.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 08:22 (eleven years ago) link
walking on the moon obviously trumps anything the beatles ever did
Eh, even if I'd been on the moon I would think of it as something I'd experienced rather than something I'd done. A lovely ride but not a personal achievement. I would rather have written something as good as e.g. "We Can Work It Out" as my sole contribution to the world than have gone to the moon.
― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, definitely. I didn't mean it trums anything they did as an achievement, just as a personal experience. like the writing of WCWIO is a personal accomplishment, but I'm sure the actual experience of doing it wasn't in the same league as the experience of standing on the moon.
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
walk on the fucking moon by a million fucking miles
― Koné 2013 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
The moon. Though if the option had been there to have been in Can...
― emil.y, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
funny, when i was 7 years old the astronauts and Beatles were large in my life.
voted moon
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
no groupies on the moon
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
no fucking Beatles either, bliss
― Koné 2013 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
moon, no contest
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
just to get away from the rest of you savages
I'd rather have mooned a Beatle.
― Elvis was a hero to most but he never her (ledge), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago) link
walking on the moon seems like it would get boring after like 5 minutes
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
a rat done bit my sister NellAnd Shakey's on the moon
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
like okay, you're on the moon, now what, bounce around for a while, take some pictures, hit a golf ball
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
if emil.y goes to the moon with shakey she can have her can wish too
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
what if we had mass transit there which was so *efficient* that all the seats were always taken?
xp
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
there is no moon downtown to take that mass transit to
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
the moon will be cool when we have a space city
take acid and listen to the Beatles
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
i would hijack the moon and crash it into liverpool in 1962
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
you can take acid and listen to the beatles while on a vacation on earth too, and it's cheaper and you are less likely to die
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
like the way Nick is thinking
― Koné 2013 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
yes but the view is not as good and like I said, savages abound
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
listening to the Beatles >>>>>> being one
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure thinking about space stuff >>>>>>>> actually being an astronaut
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
not if the experience is transcendent?
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
the experience of writing and playing good music is pretty transcendent to me and I suck compared to the beatles.
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
it seems dumb to me to fantasize about going to the moon if you haven't even done something like go scuba diving. like who am I kidding, I would probably never go to the moon, even if space tourism were relatively inexpensive.
― wk, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
I understand that but I think shouldering the adulation and creepy fixations of the full range of the human scrum would be a bigger pain in the ass than anything astronauts had to put up with (aside from spending all that time in Texas and Florida).
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
there was that conspiracy dude that Buzz Aldrin punched that time
― Koné 2013 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
idk if it's fair to call going to the moon an experience rather than an accomplishment; i mean, i get that they didn't do it alone (all those george martins back at mission control) but, like, it's a lot of dangerous work to go to the moon! they didn't just buckle up and put in earphones and then pile out when they got there.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm assuming the choice includes guarantees that 1) We survive the flight or 2) Some crazy guy doesn't shoot us in front of the Dakota.
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
Interesting discussion. I just want to jump in and say that dylann's point, upthread, about groupies is basically irrelevant. I'm sure Buzz Aldrin had/could have had his share of effortless sex.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
u hv read or seen The Right Stuff?
― ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
xp he wanted to be a Beatle, that horse is just a metaphor for a tour bus :(
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
was there not a massive video game / hit song / tiktok phenom recently driven by kids wanting to be cowboys?
and weren't 3/4 of US acid bands pretending to be cowboys by 1969?
― die britain die (Left), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link
anyway neither of these options sound like fun and no one involved in either seemed to be very happy
― die britain die (Left), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link
I think Phil Collins still wants to be a cowboy. Shitbird has the largest collection of Davy Crockett artefacts than possibly in any museum in the US stashed in his basement. I don't think that even works as a tax fiddle either.
― calzino, Monday, 8 March 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link
See also, Bruce Springsteen.Step 1: Learn to play Twist and ShoutStep 2: ProfitStep 3: Horses!
― Lily Dale, Monday, 8 March 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
hooray!
i think they mostly wanted to get high and dress like the quicksilver messenger service, but idk
Shitbird has the largest collection of Davy Crockett artefacts than possibly in any museum in the US stashed in his basement.
Those 3 things are true
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link
phil collins is a #horsegirl
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
yes, yes he is
― map ca. 1890 (map), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:49 (three years ago) link
i deeply admire this revive but just need to point out, cowboys never loved horses, horse girls have always been the ones who loved horses.
― map ca. 1890 (map), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:50 (three years ago) link
What?? How could anyone not love horses?
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 8 March 2021 22:54 (three years ago) link
Bruce has written so many songs that are positively gasoline-scented, this would be a surprising turn if he wasn't Bruce Springsteen
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 8 March 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link
In this country you often have to be rich to have the opportunity to love horses; for all Bruce's working-class solidarity, he also has that thing where people who grew up poor and then made lots of money want to spend it on things that mark them as belonging to the class they have moved up into; horses work great for this because most of the people who love them as adults also had access to them as kids. I'm sure this is all subconscious but I bet its a factor.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 8 March 2021 23:13 (three years ago) link
1. Yes2. Yes, but that's like saying you have to be Californian to have the opportunity to love surfing. One can dream.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 8 March 2021 23:17 (three years ago) link
Gr8 post tho as usual
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Monday, 8 March 2021 23:19 (three years ago) link
thank you! great revive.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 8 March 2021 23:44 (three years ago) link
If no one wanted to be a cowboy anymore, then why was this a hit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Jmo3yGrSg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link
Because it was 1982?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 02:13 (three years ago) link
― Stefan Twerkelle (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 02:20 (three years ago) link
I'm almost sure he was also boasting he had the original Bowie Knife on the BBC radio program about Davy Crockett where he talked about his collection. It sounded a bit like the sorry fables of a gullible rich sucker to me tbh
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 02:41 (three years ago) link
Such a big hit that I've never heard of it despite having spent my childhood reading rock encyclopedias, tbf
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 03:56 (three years ago) link
And yes, Phil Collins's collection of Alamo memorabilia is legendary.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 03:58 (three years ago) link
I am relieved that nobody posted the awful Dallas Cowboys record from the 90's.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 04:35 (three years ago) link
lmao at “I wanna be a cowboy” wowww
― brimstead, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 04:42 (three years ago) link
Heh, apparently "peaked at No. 12 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1986 and charted around the world." I definitely heard it in the radio as a kid around the same time stuff like Falco was on the radio, too. A little more than ten years later, Paula Cole was asking "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?", so I guess, yeah, the cowboy resurgence failed to take off. Of course, a couple of years after *that* "Dances With Wolves" won seven Oscars, but two years after *that* Unforgiven won four, and given "Unforgiven" was kind of about the death of the cowboy myth, pretty certain that it killed off cowboys for good. I remember seeing it with a bunch of goons I was working with over the summer on a day-off, and I recall all of them complaining it was not the kind of Clint Eastwood movie they wanted to see. You could say they metaphorically threw in their hats after that, because not a single one of them ever mentioned wanting to be a cowboy ever again.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link
Lonesome Dove had a lot to do with it
― beware the ídes of mairt (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link
But let's not forget the role "Urban Cowboy" and of course the huge, ubiquitous, never forgotten Disney Robert Redford smash "The Electric Cowboy" played keeping cowboys a thing in the early '80s.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
And of course the "You Shook Me All Night Long" music video.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
how soon we forget...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM
― Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
Were they cowboys, or just hillbillies?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
JiC, I assume you mean The Electric Horseman? not a Disney movie, but a pretty good "where have all the cowboys gone" movie, though politically suspect with its a proto-Reaganist, Marlboro-manny "what America and its Career Women need is some rugged cowboys" energy
― honkin' on bobo, honkin' with my feet ten feet off of beale (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
yeah, that one, lol
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
xp to myself: To be fair to Bruce, his interest in cowboys/desire to be a cowboy goes all the way back to his pre-E. Street days when he wrote songs like "Cowboys of the Sea" (what it sounds like, they live underwater and herd the fishes and also rob banks, idk what he was on either.) And then there's "This Hard Land," his epic gay cowboy fantasy from the eighties, and "Black Cowboys" from the nineties, and most of Western Stars, and all in all, Bruce's cowboy dreams clearly go deep, it wasn't fair of me to imply he was some jumped-up, fly-by-night, johnny-come-lately cowboy wannabe.
― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 20:12 (three years ago) link
wait, no, Black Cowboys was from Devils & Dust. Point still stands.
Also, the "little Texas" aspect of Freehold.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 20:27 (three years ago) link
In Forest Hills, Queens, where I lived for a year in 2009-2010, there's a stable called GallopNYC where anyone may schedule 30 minutes to visit the horses regardless of ability to pay. Most of their horses are retired and tend toward a mild temperament in their old age, so they are prized as therapy animals. They have lovely names, like 'Popcorn'. Ordinarily, the place is crowded, loud and chatoic, but during the pandemic it's been blissfully tranquil.
Since my last visit, I've imagined a colony of these gentle horses in a bucolic place where they are free and undisturbed, like a utopia, a world of only horses. That's what I try to think about when I go to bed at night.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Friday, 12 March 2021 04:33 (three years ago) link
I think my initial post made it fairly clear that I couldn't care less about actual cowboys, you know, it's the loss of all those cowboy dreams.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Friday, 12 March 2021 04:35 (three years ago) link
I Couldn’t Care Less About Actual Cowboys (It’s the Loss of All Those Cowboy Dreams)
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 12 March 2021 04:41 (three years ago) link
It's the companion horses who maybe only existed in the imaginations of children, who were cruelly cast aside when they saw those spectacular images of the moon landing and changed plans.
Honestly, i think i'd be ok with them deciding to dream about going to the moon if they'd wanted to bring their horse.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Friday, 12 March 2021 05:00 (three years ago) link