"Hipster" as pejorative.

also aren't we at the phase in the process where only people in montana care about the word hipster anymore

or 40 y/o nyt writers

Is there something oddly regional to Montana re: hipsters like black metal is to Florida (which still boggles me)?

the essay doesn't present a completely cohesive argument but it's not nonsensical

also aren't we at the phase in the process where only people in montana care about the word hipster anymore

― iatee, Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is repeatedly proven not to be the case

And I think the quote Elmo pulled is OTM. There seems to be a latent conformism beneath a lot of the attacks on hipsters. It's a smarter, more self-aware (yet in some ways less self-aware) conformism that knows better than to come off as being like those fuddy duddies in the 60s who didn't "get" the counterculture. The anti-hipster attitude "gets" counterculture but just thinks it's lame, in a totally knowing way of course. Professionals can wear jeans to work now so what do all these buffoons think they're opposing?

Their alternative lifestyles are silly but it couldn't possibly be that we find them threatening because we're so beyond that and open minded now.

otm

similar to disparagement of "latte-sipping liberals"

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could this thread BE any better?

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And I think the quote Elmo pulled is OTM. There seems to be a latent conformism beneath a lot of the attacks on hipsters. It's a smarter, more self-aware (yet in some ways less self-aware) conformism that knows better than to come off as being like those fuddy duddies in the 60s who didn't "get" the counterculture. The anti-hipster attitude "gets" counterculture but just thinks it's lame, in a totally knowing way of course. Professionals can wear jeans to work now so what do all these buffoons think they're opposing?

hipsterism isn't really a coherent counterculture, its an adjective that means a lot of different things to different people and in different contexts but certainly doesn't express one coherent counterculture value system or whatever. it mostly just means 'wears framed glasses' at this point.

hipsterism isn't really a coherent counterculture

I didn't say it was, I am talking about the attitude of people who use the term "as a pejorative"

lots of poor unemployed marxists in brooklyn use it 'as a pejorative'

yet they are the ones who will be leading the hipster marxist revolution

I maintain that those people are the worst hipsters of all [via their "poor brainwashed hipster sheep, can't u SEE that the music u like is TRENDY GARBAGE" attitude]

off-topic but in the spirit of this thread: yesterday I got a series of distraught text messages from my little sister, who was just hired by her college radio station (WKNC, if any of y'all know it)

I'm way outta my league these guys hate on things I haven't even heard of for being too mainstream :( :( :(

I need hipster 101

I don't dress weird enough

I don't have enough tattoos or piercings

WAHHHHHH

... really? u never heard of Vampire Weekend???

Hipster 101 = see a scarf you like in an old movie & replicate or buy it on etsy

Hipster 102 = find another movie that the same scarf was in. That one sucks, though, and if anyone thinks it inspired you, laff in their face

Hipster 203 = while no one's looking, secretly change which of the 2 movies you hate

Does she have a shtick? she could be a college radio dj and not know anything about recent bands if she is the person who only listens to the canon pre-1995. I have a friend who seems to be that way, although it's kind of weird because he began college ~2000.

I don't think she has a shtick (that I'm aware of) but she has good (broad) taste and seems pretty knowledgeable about local music (basically any local band I've heard of that isn't some sort of one-off novelty act composed entirely of my friends, she's already seen and judged)

oh, she can be local band dj, who plays local bands and actually knows people

sounds hipster enough

b-but is it even possible to be a tireless booster of your local scene AND a snarky jaded hipster?
I fear for the day when she has to choose...

yeah, she just has to be all like "oh, I haven't heard of them, are they from around here?" and roll her eyes if someone mentions how a band has been covered in the press or played some festival.

it's like being a snooty locavore of bands

b-but is it even possible to be a tireless booster of your local scene AND a snarky jaded hipster?

TOTALLY. I used to hear/say "I hate this effing city" quite a bit when I was a 20-something scenester, which was also the period of my life when I was most focused on going out all the time. There's all this drama that you love to complain about. There's also the thought that "I am better than this city cos in my mind I already live in NYC/Portland/Brazil/etc." I think the self-hatred thing is kind of compounded the more you are involved in the local scene.

Forget the local scene, get on the tattoo and piercing game.

Yes it's so great to finally live in an era where tattoos are considered cool.

nah they're about as cool as owning t-shirts, everyone owns a t-shirt

Do women often come up to you and say "Wow where'd you get that t-shirt?"

yes

then I direct them to the affliction website

The anti-hipster attitude "gets" counterculture but just thinks it's lame, in a totally knowing way of course

This pretty much sums up my view of hipsters, yes.

about as often as people mention tattoos in the places I go, which are full of tattooed people

well, I don't wear that many t-shirts these days, but back in the day

also the answer was lol threadless half the time, oh you mid 2000s

The anti-hipster attitude "gets" counterculture but just thinks it's lame, in a totally knowing way of course

Oddly enough, hipsters lovingly embrace counterculture.

I don't really understand what counts as "counterculture" these days.

That depends what you mean by counterculture

and what it would be an ostensible "counter" to

xp

Something marketed outside the white male hetero demographic?

so 50 Shades of Grey then

Tyler Perry

Oprah

Pocky for Girls

Ten years ago my crust punk friend got a tattoo of Oprah on her belly.

haha that jacobin article, unsurprisingly, again protests too much.

it reminds me exactly of the argument they had with the baffler all anxious b/c it said something about grad students and theory.

its a pretty spectacular historical naiveté w/r/t the notion that the sort of things playing out might be related to experiences from the past in useful ways.

I wish that article was about a real resistance movement and its mediatic portrayal, instead of the usual 'aw man stop talking about the hipsters' which is really the snake biting its own tail afaic.

i think they are right that "hipsters" are a smokescreen that people use in order to avoid talking about actual economic and cultural realities relating to the increasing stratification of wealth in america.

you should keep thinking

i talked to a hipster at the record store yesterday. he had a striped shirt (like a frenchman!) and told me the new kurt vile record is good.