2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

This belongs on the veep thread, but it's hilarious: Romney as McCain's #2:

Where the fuck do Republicans get the impression that Romney knows a good goddamn about the economy?

Well, it's unlikely that Mitt will flip Massachusetts to red, but in addition to having great fundraising network, and being ten years younger and a tireless campaigner, he brings one heck of a message. Romney's mastery of economic issues and rep as the business turnaround guy could prove highly valuable to McCain. (Not to mention the healing to party divisions it might prompt.)

While McCain hogs the campaign trail spotlight, Romney could quietly barnstorm the most depressed areas of the country laying out a plan to tackle economic woes. His expert knowledge here and relentlessly upbeat demeanor would probably go over well. Further, his expertise means he could go out on the attack against the other candidate(s) on the issue with confidence and ease as the McCain camp needs him to.

Once elected, Romney could continue to deal with the issue. Being weighed down with concerns over the domestic economy is probably not what McCain wants anyway. President McCain would then be able to focus in on the issues he cares about — the war, national security and congressional/fiscal corruption. Romney would have to be careful not to overshadow McCain, but if the economy improves he could take some measure of credit for it and end up with an elevated profile to set him up for his own run at the White House, which could prove crucial if McCain ends up going one term.

There's bad blood still left over from the primary, but Romney appears willing to bury the hatchet. If McCain's smart, he'll look past that and start objectively weighing the merits of Veep Romney now.

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clean coal is a little more complicated than that -- I doubt anyone would disagree that ideally we'd have discontinued coal burning entirely. but there's the increasingly likely scenario that coal will soon be so much cheaper than oil that people are just going to _start burning it no matter what_

in which case, the best-case scenario is that clean-burning technologies have already been put in place. and the politicians who are really thinking ahead are already looking into ways to cheaply distribute the same technology to China & India

There are clean burning technologies in terms of desulpherisation but there is no economic way of dealing with the CO2. The two should not be conflated.

strike at the root of the problem. wipe out half the population and burn down the internet, presto, CO2 emissions from coal become "manageable"

and quite frankly, although we could put resources into clean coal technology, we could equally put that money into renewable energies that work now. (although there is a promising line in biofuels based on algae that grow in CO2 rich environments which could be a limited CO2 sink, but lets not kid ourselves that this is going to be cheap).

strike at the root of the problem. wipe out half the population and burn down the internet, presto, CO2 emissions from coal become "manageable"

World heading this direction anyway.

Obama pwning the shit free online gamer vote 2:1

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http://www.miniclip.com/games/street-fight/en/

http://mediamattersaction.org/freeride/?src=top

any ed posts about carbon footprints etc are hilarious.

Indeed, I am a colossal hypocrite

I think it's interesting how places like NRO, et al complain about McCain in large part for the same reasons as discussed in that link -- 'too chummy with the mass media, it's all image, etc.' -- though through their lens, and a lot of that seems to boil down to a 'if only he dealt with an HONEST mass media like Rush and Fox News.'

Hillary: "I would not have chosen Wright as my pastor."

Hillary's Pastor as First Lady: "Lay off Wright, he's a outstanding guy"

http://www.foundryumc.org/pdfs/Statement%20concerning%20Rev.%20Jeremiah%20Wright.pdf

hahaha

Clinton Chats With The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy?
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The news out of Pennsylvania today was that Hillary Clinton weighed in on the Reverend Jeremiah Wright controversy when she told a newspaper editorial board, "he would not have been my pastor … You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But somewhat lost in the hubbub over this latest jab at Obama was the very fact that Clinton was meeting with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial board at all.

Published by billionaire conservative activist Richard Mellon Scaife, the Tribune-Review is known for its opinion page, which tilts heavily to the right. During the 1990s, the paper published a series of stories examining the case of Vince Foster, the former White House Deputy Counsel whose 1993 death was ruled a suicide after several investigations.

The Tribune-Review was at the forefront of conspiracy theorists who speculated that Hillary and President Clinton may have been involved in murdering Foster and covering up his death. As late as 2002, the Tribune-Review published a column suggesting Hillary Clinton's presidential aspirations would be tampered due to the Foster "cover-up."

Asked at a news conference this afternoon what it felt like to sit in the heart of the "vast right-wing conspiracy," Clinton laughed.

"It was actually very pleasant … " she said. "I said in the beginning when I arrived that it was obviously somewhat counterintuitive for me to be there, but it was a good discussion."

seduced by the dark side...if you can't beat 'em blah blah blah

Clniton's 'I was shot at by snipers' lie is getting front page mention by the BBC, which is presumably a sign that it's getting more tracion.

it could sink her in the all important britishes primary

bbc's had a pretty anti-clinton tilt for awhile judging by the headlines ive been reading on google news

dudes its been the lede on drudge for like 2 days

brit media is pretty uniformly probama, yeah.

Comment pages are mixed, news pages are largely neutral.

Well, I felt that the the BBC had ignored almost all but the results of the primaries, and the odd interesting story. They didn't cover the 'wright' scandal, nor Clinton's questionable tactics up until now in any meaningful detail.

Well, anyway, as a Britisher, I was surprised to see it being discussed in detail rather than broad trends, and I supposed it showed that an event as more than the minutia of the election.

Comment pages are mixed, news pages are largely neutral.

-- Ed, Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:01 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

news pages ought to be!

the 'david cameron is the new obama' meme is what i mean by him hitting big over here.

Is HRC Trying (and Will She Try) to Sabotage Obama's Chances in the GE so that McCain will win and she'll make another run in 2012?

the Tuzla airport thing probably of more relevance to britishes since it involves, y'know, Europe.

tbh the british media goes big on the US election when there's less on here. wrightgate coincided with 'five years of handwringing' last week so we sort of missed out on that. but the initial primaries and march 4th were huge.

the Tuzla airport thing probably of more relevance to britishes since it involves, y'know, Europe.

But it also involves moving pictures/video, a laughably obvious fib, and an uncomfortable candidate making awkward excuses about it. And that's the sort of stuff Americans will love.

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Q: Do you still think the Democratic race can be resolved before the convention?

Reid: Easy.

Q: How is that?

Reid: It will be done.

Q: It just will?

Reid: Yep.

Q: Magically?

Reid: No, it will be done. I had a conversation with Governor Dean (Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean) today. Things are being done.

thy will be done

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how many years have you waited to post this picture?

I am marginally reassured that Dean and Reid and Pelosi seem to be of the "fuck this shit" temperament but... well their track record in congress is pretty pathetic, hopefully when it comes to their own party they actually can get something done. Seems obvious they're all biting their tongues re: Hillary.

im thinking theyre not gogin to do anything until the voting is over to avoid alienating hillary supporters

http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/222451.asp

What are your thoughts on this?

I mean I'm a very liberal person myself, I'm a guy and I consider myself a feminist, and I think that many of the structures of society are to a degree inherently racist in America...

But I think that someone of the far far left left, that consider violence a good idea, and talk about revolution in those terms, and come up with conspiracy theories that are dangerous a la Reverend Wright would be a terrible leader for America, one that would be far more destructive than say four years of John McCain.

I'm not saying Obama is definitely an extremist, but his friends and his record seem to point out that he might not be the centrist, mr. unity he presents himself as.

And if he is such a peacemaker, why has there been so much anger coming from everyone around him? (The namecalling from numerous aids, the Wright thing)

tell me more about the far far left left

who said Obama is a peacemaker?

man stfu seriously

having a black pastor who says god damn america for slavery makes obama "more dangerous than john mccain"? suck a dick and go back to auditioning to the white rapper show motherfucker

“Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets”

lol college

And if he is such a peacemaker, why has there been so much anger coming from everyone around him? (The namecalling from numerous aids, the Wright thing)

Dude, have you been watching the news? Do you know what liberalism is?

One of the biggest misinterpretations of Obama's message that I'm running into (aside from the "OMG MUSLIM" stuff) is the idea that his message is about centrist politics. Obviously his record is more liberal than moderate, so this misinterpretation makes him seem disingenuous.

But the important thing to note is that it's his approach, not his politics, that is the centerpiece of his style. He's not advocating a centrist political approach - he's advocating an approach that acknowledges significant differences without demonizing the other side. He doesn't have to abandon his liberal views to acknowledge that conservatives might have some good ideas and they're worth talking to. But when people mix up the views with the approach, it makes him seem like a man who speaks from the center and votes from the left.

good post

i understand the 'reaching across the aisle' shit to mean obama will look at shit like Political instances where conservatives were/are right...

didn't Obama post to that thread under the handle "Garu G"

I'm not saying Obama is definitely an extremist

what the fuck are you talking about?

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Amazing, but it's crucial to remember that as much as we deride people who can't write, spell, or otherwise communicate an ability to think, they *also have a vote*.

Latest is that someone at an Indiana college campus asked Chelsea something difficult:

Chelsea Clinton had a quick retort Tuesday when asked whether her mother's credibility had been hurt during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

"Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question in the, I don't know maybe, 70 college campuses I've now been to, and I do not think that is any of your business," Clinton said during a campaign visit for her mother, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Uh, wow.

What a supremely douchey question.

lol genealogy