What is considered a "fat girl" these days? I really want to know.

And it was talking to people I MIGHT not be aroused by.

sincerely,

an 8 yr old

...but yes, I have considered that, I of course don't think it's someone's "fault," and honestly, I would rather date a healthy 160 pound/5'8" girl than an anorexic, anyday. But I am also sticking to that ideal of honesty when I truthfully confess that if I had a choice and I didn't know the girl's personality AT ALL, I would probably choose a slimmer girl over those stats, not least because i am such a toothpick myself and have had painful experiences with overweight women before. Yet in my situation, i already KNOW the girl's personality, so I'm not just going to be sgum (see the fob board) and drop her or anything...I'm going to take a chance and see what she's like *as a person* in person. I would never just hold her weight against her or use it to "blame" her, like you're implying.

don't think pubic problem, maryann, think PUBIC OPPORTUNITY

or was it jess? he's a blabmouth considering he has such a teenytiny head

huh, wait...maryann, how do you know about my musical tastes or fantasies anyway????

the j-lu/jel thing = a gag spoiled by all these ppl having their serious argt; the jess thing = TRUE cuz i saw it in a dream

(which reminds i dreamt abt duane last night maryann: he wasn't there, but every dilemma that presented itself, i wondered solennly WHAT WOULD DUANE DO? I didn't start the Cuprofen Max Strength till this morning either)

carry on folks you've been a swell audience (except for YOU)

Mark S - 'What would Duane do'? That's pretty funny considering Duane's decision-making algorithm seems to always default to 'I'll just pretend to be reading this Cream magazine from 1973 and wait until everyone's gone away.' Of course that's what attracted me to him in the first place.

As for this:

An extremely loose guideline suggests allowing 100 lbs for 5'0" tall, and in women, another 5 lbs for each additional inch of height (men are spotted 10 lbs for each additional inch). Now, this system rightly is criticized because it doesn't allow for extremely large or small bones or much muscular development.

I don't think this is very true. It doesn't fit me and I am certain I'm not fat or overweight or anything (I'm not giving my weight, etc. on ILE).

thats more than 25 kilos guys! how come nobody noticed!

Blah blah blah, fat is a feminist issue, etc. etc.

Yes, in an ideal world, people should be happy with their body image no matter what they weigh, the tyrany of the anorexic with the airbrush is harmful to everyone.

However, I always have to say this about my own weight. When I am happy with my life, my weight drops naturally (less comfort eating, more energy) and when I am miserable, my weight increases. So mood and weight and self image are all utterly inexorably tied together, and anyone who tries to tell you that it is or should be otherwise is foolish at best.

I am 5'8" and I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that since getting out of an unhappy... situation, I have lost about a stone, just through not being miserable and not binging on chocolate every day. I'm still 165lbs, and therefore FAT, but I'm very pleased with the results. Everybody give me a big hand or I'll thwack you.

There are guidelines for how much healthy individuals of either sex should weigh if they are certain heights, and this is suppsed to be tempered for bone structure. (So there is a leeway of about 15 lbs on either side of "normal" before you're classed as medically overweight.)

I don't know what I'm blethering on about. But everybody clap for my discarded stone of useless flesh! (And there will be no quips about the 9 or 10 stone of useless flesh I discarded a few months ago, please!)

clapclapclapclapclap etc.

oh and i just love it when i mispell words i'm KWOTING

Why are you bothered so much about her weight? The poor gurl must be freaking out about it if she's refusing to tell you. The internet must be one place where you can feel secure that body issues aren't a part of whatever relationship you're building - if you're that good friends she will come to talk about it to you in time. Or you know, perhaps she won't. I think you need to give her some respect and let her talk about in her own time.

If on the other hand he's been treating her as a friend and NOT mentioning his romantic intentions and may now drop her because he doesn't fancy her, well that is bad. But it's bad because it's dishonest and manipulative, not because he doesn't fancy her cause she's fat.

The basic point is that there is nothing wrong with not fancying somebody because they are fat. I wish more people did fancy fat women (and men!) because the sum of human happiness would be increased, but if somebody has that as their 'decider' then there's nothing you can do about it and - it seems to me - no moral position you can take on it, except to privately think that person a bit shallow. Some people have a very normative perception of attractiveness and then assume that everyone else will share it and criticise them for not doing so - those people are fuckwits. But Vic isn't among them. (That said Vic hasn't caught nearly as much flak on this thread as he seems to think he has).

I dread meeting people I know online and finding that I either don't like them in real life or that I *do* fancy them!

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180 lbs isn't fat! Not if you're tall, anyway. I mean it's not skinny, either...was that article written by an R. Crumb of 1918?

Funnily enough I was watching the new American Gladiators show last night and they give height and weight for the glads -- and none of the women was admitted to be over 155 lbs even though they ranged from 5'7" to 5'10" and clearly all had shoulders and thighs the size of quarterbacks'. I do respectfully suggest that that is extremely unlikely; 180 sounds far more probable (and healthful).

i would suggest that you are right about that

are fat girls really sluttier??

okay, SLUTTIER is not the word.
easier to get in the sack?

i guess as a ZAFTIG girl myself I should know the answer to that

Googled for the legernd that is George Pesante and found that the article is from a 1962 bongo mag:

http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/17/chubby-girl-1962/

(nsfw pic, btw)